He almost didn't survive last year with the thumb injury. He really needs to wise up or or he's gonna run out of luck. I never thought Fitz was any good when he was with Buffalo. But seeing him up close has changed my mind. One of the things I like about him is his very competitive nature, and that takes over when he runs. He has to fix that. Another is the role he takes among his teammates in the framework of the team. His command of the O and understanding of what D's are trying to do is what separates him from Geno and some of the other QB's. He needs to protect himself better. He has to fix that.
You have stated several times that you think they're equal as if it's a fact or that Petty is better and then asked "why" keep Geno. That's why I said what I did. I totally understood what I said. Petty has not learned in one year what Geno did in 3. If he had, the Jets would have already parted company with Geno and Petty would have been anointed the backup. Instead, all of the media is saying that it's Petty on the bubble, NOT Geno. IMO it's obvious that you just hate Geno and it wouldn't matter how abysmally Petty could play or how well Geno could play, your opinion would stay the same. Therefore, I see no purpose in continuing this conversation.
Players are individuals, just as we are. It doesn't bother some players to play "early" (before they're ready). It does bother others. That's why HCs, OCs, and QB coaches have to be psychologists. Tom Brady is a one in a million freak. Trying to compare others to him or to Montana is silly. Geno needed to sit. He had played in a spread system in college, hadn't taken many snaps from under center, his footwork was a mess, and he needed to learn to read Ds. You don't throw a QB like that to the wolves. Brady played in a pro system at Michigan and didn't have to learn to do any of those things. Sanchez needed to sit as well. He had only one year of starting experience and even his coaches at USC said that he wasn't ready to play in the NFL. You can't compare guys like Geno and Sanchez with guys like Brady and Montana. It's like trying to compare apples and oranges.
Sanchez doesn't have the "It" factor..... It appears Geno doesn't either. They don't get it. I wasn't comparing the greats to those two. The Great "It" guys you speak of, didn't have all-NFL receivers, what they had were All-Time great coaches who played to their QB's strengths at their early stages of development. Brady and Montana had great defenses behind their offense, and we're not coddled like teams do their "future" QB's today either. I think letting them "sit and learn" is bullshit. Get out there, learn as fast as you can, play as hard as you can, and try to win games by leading an NFL offensive unit. If you can, you can be lucky enough to be a Super Bowl champ, be all-everything, or you can't. To say Sanchez was ruined is a joke. He was on a good team that drug his young ass to an inch of a Super Bowl or two. He still struggles, so what should a team do? He got rich off of our team, sucked, and then played somewhere else a lot cheaper while not playing much better. Should we have kept him around? If Fitz hits the ground and Geno has to play, if he sucks put Petty in. If he sucks, Hack will play. Find someone who can play, not hold a stupid clip board. Chan Gailey played offense last season to Fitz strengths, behind our defense, against a weak schedule. Hopefully this season, Fitz will find "It", and we can make a deep run? Maybe Geno finds "It"? Maybe "next season", with our defense only getting better, we have to keep Geno because Fitz retires. The first game with the Patriots, Geno gets crunched and Petty becomes the next "Tom Brady", and it begins a 5-year dynasty? It could happen!!!! Lol
Neither Sanchez nor Geno have the "it" factor, if by that you mean being an all time great QB. One or both possibly could have been better QBs had they been allowed to develop at their own pace and been quite serviceable starters. As for Montana not having all-NFL receivers, ever heard of Jerry Rice. His other receivers, TE and RB weren't exactly slouches, either. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone else (including Sanchez, Geno and the countless other QBs who have been thrown to the wolves or received poor coaching) knows what they might have become or how they might have developed, if they had better coaching and/or or systems, and been allowed to develop more slowly. Impatience doesn't get anyone anywhere in any area of life. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this topic.
Montana didn't have Rice until his second Super Bowl. He did quite well with ok receivers and backs. The dynasty happened when they surrounded Montana with Rice, Craig, Taylor etc.... He had already proved himself with big wins and stats. If he hadn't have, somebody else would have been the Qb. Brady did the same. Nacho sucked from the get go. I'm just a fan, I could see it, along with plenty others on this board. Waiting for half a decade or longer to see if he pans out is stupid. NFL windows open and close to quickly with free agency, players getting old/injured, coaches and systems moving in and out. I guess we will have to disagree, that's what discussions are for. At least we see each other's point of view.
I never wanted Sanchez in the first place, much less trading up for him. The fact that we fleeced Cleveland in the trade up is irrelevant to me. I had seen Sanchez play and didn't like him. His CS didn't think he was ready. He had only started for one year. To top it off, I had read an article prior to that draft that sadly, is no longer on the net, but it showed the success rate (really lack thereof) of underclass QBs in the NFL. It was abysmal. I never thought Sanchez would be a great QB. So I totally get where you're coming from with him and respect your opinion. Still, I think if Sanchez had been drafted by a team that had a quality OC, QB Coach, and HC that understood anything about offense and how to handle QBs (especially rookies), that didn't have the glare and pressure of the Jets and NY, didn't have the pressure of his HC predicting a SB victory, and had time to adjust to the speed of the NFL, learn the offense, and build some confidence, he'd have been a lot better, more consistent and things like the butt fumble would probably have never happened. Sanchez isn't the most physically talented, but he has talent. The two areas I think he lacks most are mentally and confidence. With the right approach by the CS, having time to grow into the role and experience, the confidence would have come, at least to the extent that his mindset would have allowed it.
Totally agree with your feelings and assessment of Sanchez. While I never thought he'd be a Pro Bowler I do feel that Rex killed any hope of success for Sanchez . Coming out after only a year and being drafted by a coach that only knew offense existed because his defense needed to kill them , the kid needed quality coaching , a Chan Gailey. You're talking a totally different career for Sanchez if he's drafted now as opposed to the coaching staff & talent that team had when he played for us . Just my opinion .... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
TAKES FROM WEEK 3 - Is it a fair assessment to say this defense is going to be scary if a true outside corner emerges outside of Revis? (Williams, Milliner) - Why is Kellen Davis on the field. Can we just put an eligible reciever OL out there or commit to Amaro sink or swim. - It makes me sick to think we're likely going to cut J. Marshall, Peake, Anderson, or Shelby Harris to be able to keep 4 QB's and Kellen Davis. Magic Mike do the right thing. - SPECIAL teams, what a turn around in one year. I make it a point to just focus on individual performances during preseason but this group just flashes on the screen. Oh and... RONTEZ MILES! - Ross Martin 55 yarder, looked like it could've been made from about 60 yards (barely) - Tackling was much cleaner - Right side of the OL didn't cave but there wasn't any forward push on run blocking from that side either. Ijalana looks competent, not sure why we're paying Breno. - Dee had a nice pass block when he jumped a route, then got beat later. On the play he got beat I'm not sure if there was a break down in safety help as he got turned thinking there was help inside. Not sure if that was on him. He also had great adjustment in a play at the end of the game nearly picking the ball. The flashes keep coming I want to see him put it together and play mistake free. - Backup QB talk. Geno needs to go Petry needs to stay, period. I've seen enough from Petty to believe he could come step in for periods if he needs to his pocket presence needs to improve but his decision making and arm talent looks great. We know what we have in Geno and he's not the solution, he's a slightly better backup at best and you don't lose one of the guys I referred to above just to keep a slightly better backup QB. - Hack! After Hack threw the TD the camera cuts to Bowles and he's smiling ear to ear. This guy has the best poker face ever and never let's emotions show on the sideline, and he's over there cheesein. Not bad for a guy that gets no reps in camp. - Honorable Mention: Big Mo, Pryor, Decker, R. Anderson, Revis
Re-signing Mo was a great move, dude is a fucking beast Leo Williams looks like he's going to be a beast too. Defense will be stout (hope we don't lose Harris for long) Special teams looks good, which is a huge improvement over the shit we saw last year Looks like the offense is going to take a step back
The defense looked significantly better with Mo out there. Still crazy how people wanted to trade Mo for a guard or Kaepernick Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk
That's exactly how Sanchez and Geno ended up completely broken. In the past guys played more pro style and came out football ready. The way offenses are run in college, and many high schools, is so different from the pro game you can't compare them. We drafted Geno from an offense where he never lined up under center and most of his passes were basically long handoffs to Tavon Austin. The end result of putting him out there is a guy who at the least bit of pressure runs back into a shotgun position. Sanchez on the other hand didn't know how to slide, throw the ball away and generally had the yips. None of this changed and was generally exacerbated during his time as the unfettered starter. In short, let the kid sit for a hot minute. I mean it worked for Brady right?
They should go with no FB to keep the extra WR. Robbie Anderson has come out of nowhere and easily looks the best of the young WR's. Peak has been solid as well nothing really to complain about his work. Marshall has put some easy catches on the ground but can play specials which pretty much gives him a spot. I'm thinking Kenbrell Thompkins is going to be shown the door in favor of keeping these guys. I feel sorry for the guy because he's bounced around so much and seemingly found himself a home here at the end of last season. I think it will end up something like this WR1 - B. Marshall, Peake Slot - Decker, J. Marshall WR2 - Enunwa, Robby "The Robot" (yea, it's early) cut - Kenbrell Thompkins, Jeremy Ross PS - Worthy IR - Smith At this point Devin Smith is way, way behind on everything and wouldn't really be up to speed until the last 3rd of the season. Whoever is out there will be fully entrenched by that point. No need to shake the apple cart just to get him out there. It's not like Fitz can make great use of what is right now his only skill (go routes). Just leave the guy there for the season and try again next year. I kind like Ross and wish we could keep him but he sort of occupies the same space as J.Marsh. Given the choice I'd rather we ran with the younger guy here. You figure we have this season and next with B. Marsh and Deck as the 1-2 option. If one or both left after next season Ross and Kenbrell will both be 30 without showing the ability to be a 1 or 2 guy. I doubt that either will spontaneously reach that level either. So, again I feel that we go with the youth movement at WR. Last bit, and then I stop rambling, while I have Enunwa as the WR2. He's probably going to be playing TE/HB with Amaro and Suds as the backups. I don't get how we can have TE's and FB's that can't block. If Davis AND Bohannon makes the team and we cut one of the kids at WR I'm going to be very dissapointed.
