The fact that almost twice as many white people are killed by police than black people? Or the fact that the media doesnt cover them so they can deceive idiots into thinking there is a problem that doesn't exist - the specific targeting of black men. Police kill white and black people, and kill more white peoples than black people. So what problem are you referring to?
Cops kill more than twice the amount of white people per year than they do blacks.... Despite blacks accounting for 55% of the crime rate to whites in the 30s. Not to mention that , as usual the facts again are starting to come out in the favor f the police in the latest 2 stories.
Some idiot on ESPN radio who is deceived into thinking he's smart because he writes for the Undefeated just compared Emmet Till to Trayvon Martin. But, sure, we can have an honest discussion on race.
Let's say the Jets go 6-10 and the Pats 12-4. But the news only reports the Jets 6 wins and never reports the Patriots 12 wins. If someone argued the Jets were better than the Pats because they had 6 wins and the Pats 0 wins, should that person's ignorance be given credence?
Depends on whether using we should also give credence to people using counting stats when rate stats are more appropriate.
Using rate is great but you also have to consider number of encounters with the police and crimes committed. Obviously areas of higher crime require more police force and people in those areas are more prone to having an encounter with police, especially if they are committing crimes. I don't think that has anything to do with race. It's not as simple as a flat number or a rate but the discussion never seems to get much further than OMGZ look another black guy killed by the racist cops! Facts of the situation be damned, btw. If Black Lies Matter wants to be taken seriously they should present a serious argument and articulate what they are angry about like adults. Scheduling a "day of rage" in 37 major cities isn't going to gain you any sympathy from reasonable people.
Except not when you use irrelevant rate stats. They use the entire population rate as if race occurances should be proportional to race otherwise it indicates bias. That's nonsense. You need to take the shootings versus encounters with police to see if there is meaningful differences. If you and I never encounter the police we are in no danger of being shot and have no business being part of the discussion.
Of course it's not simple. And it's not made any simpler when people default to their preferred knee-jerk reaction anytime something like this comes up. But maybe instead of telling Black Lives Matter -- actually, that's not what you're doing... you're addressing the imaginary Black Lives Matter persona that's in your head -- what "they" are doing wrong, maybe it's more constructive to ask why they are upset in the first place? Why are they upset enough to schedule a day of rage? Why are they upset enough to distort the facts of the day? Are they just being assholes? Do you think there are no grounds for any grievances here? Is this just 100% a media lie and they are too dumb/gullible to recognize it? Is that what you think? And if that is not what you think, then maybe take a second to find some people who support the cause and ask them a few questions. Preferably not loaded ones. This is very true. But you can normalize for that, as well. Or normalize by median income and race. Or crime rate and race. And guess what? There's still a bias. It's not the extreme bias that some are claiming with respect to police killings, nor is the bias necessarily around deadly force specifically, but it's not just random chance, either. http://www.nber.org/papers/w22399.pdf http://athena.sas.upenn.edu/petra/papers/profiling.pdf http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/18/upshot/police-killings-of-blacks-what-the-data-says.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/in...f-reckoning-police-fatally-shoot-nearly-1000/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States My take is, how about instead of conducting a pissing contest over which race gets to claim the trophy for "most at risk of being killed by police," how about we look at the underlying social pressures that are increasing the likelihood that force will be used by police officers who are there to protect and serve?
Why do you think it's my responsibility to dig deep and figure out what they're so angry about when they've done nothing to articulate it? Until they do, YES, it seems like they're just being assholes. Even if they DO have something to be angry about blocking traffic on highways and violence is not a good way of going about things and still, they're just being assholes. What's their beef, what is their goal? I'm not saying there isn't something for them to be angry about. I'm saying what the fuck is it? Because I look at the numbers and they don't seem disproportionate along racial lines if you consider reasonable things like frequency of police encounters. That's not to say there's some facts I'm ignorant too - I very well could be. But please, share. I do think that people tend to believe it when the POTUS, VPOTUS, D POTUS nominee, US Congress men & women, governors, media time and time again give credence to narratives about cops being racist based solely on the fact that a black guy was killed by the police. Look no further than this thread - people damning the police right out of the gate not knowing anything.
I don't think it's your responsibility. You can do whatever you want. I responded to your post where you laid out what BLM should be doing to "be taken seriously" (presumably by you and others who think like you). But it seems like you're willing to judge without understanding. I mentor a young lady in our lab who lives in a not-so-nice part of town. Yes, she is black. Yes, there are a lot of police in her neighborhood. Yes, there should be a lot of police in her neighborhood. But you should also walk in her shoes for a week (or in the shoes of someone like her) and see what you think. As for facts, I did share in the links above.
Please. It's simple. As we grow up were supposed to know right from wrong. Things like , don't commit crimes, don't pull guns , resist arrest , fight cops, have a fucking gun on your lap when you get pulled over. Why in the fuck to I need to ask people how they feel about the repercussions of these types of actions? I'm goddamn tired of seeing defended. This bullshit is causing more and more police to stand down and just stay away, it puts us all at risk. And the social issues that cause this? You're right... Stop voting for democrats that smile to your face and then love to push welfare on you. But blm will overwhelmingly vote for Hillary and then we get more of the same .
I think that's a fine taek. But the only time we seem to hear from black lies matter is when a black guy gets killed by police. According to the abstract in the first link you posted (and that's as far as I've gotten so far). "On the most extreme use of force – officerinvolved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account." If it is other things they're angry about, why don't they burn down cities, block highways and commit violent acts when black guys are killed by police and the powers that be talk about racial issues with the police?
You should ask someone who is active in the movement. I can give you a secondhand answer, but you'd get more from a conversation with someone who's more involved, I think, since it's their opinion you claim to seek. As for the disparity or lack there of when it comes to lethal force, I explicitly called that out in the post. But here's the full quote from the abstract that might answer your question about the source of anger: "This paper explores racial differences in police use of force. On non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities. On the most extreme use of force – officer-involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account." and goes on to say this: "Using data on NYC’s Stop and Frisk program, we demonstrate that on non-lethal uses of force – putting hands on civilians (which includes slapping or grabbing) or pushing individuals into a wall or onto the ground, there are large racial differences. In the raw data, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to have an interaction with police which involves any use of force. Accounting for baseline demographics such as age and gender, encounter characteristics such as whether individuals supplied identification or whether the interaction occurred in a high- or lowcrime area, or civilian behaviors does little to alter the race coefficient. Adding precinct and year fixed effects, which estimates racial differences in police use of force by restricting to variation within a given police precinct in a given year reduces the black coefficient by 19.4 percent and the Hispanic coefficient by 26 percent, though both are still statistically larger than zero. Including more than 125 controls available in the data, the odds-ratio on black (resp. Hispanic) is 1.173 (resp. 1.120)."
I actually considered asking a guy about this the other day. I went out for lunch at a bar and a guy came in with a blm shirt on. I decided against it because the group seems to be violent and looking for trouble. Not that I can't handle myself, it's just that I try to avoid trouble and that seemed like asking for it. So I'll leave it to the guy on the internet defending BLM to answer why. It seems to me they're angry about what they're reacting to which is a false narrative whipped up by the left and re-enforced by our "leaders". Call me crazy.
some people have nothing going on, and just need something like blm to go out and cause shit in the streets , or feel a part of sonething . Which is the case with most "movements". The sad part is, imo, this whole thing being a creation based on a false narrative.... They knew exactly who they could count on to take it up.
Breaking news: Multiple police shot in Baton Rouge - 3 feared dead: http://ktla.com/2016/07/17/3-baton-rouge-police-feared-dead-in-shooting-scene-active-official-says/
