I do not posess the knowledge/memory that i know some of you have in terms of the history of this franchise. Since i became a fan the Jets have let go Keshon Johnson, Shaun Ellis, Revis, and have yet to sign Mo Wilkerson to a long term deal. Is this franchise cheap and more concerned about profit than winning superbowls or are they just disloyal to franchise players? Ferguson and Chrebet are the only 2 draftees i can recall that retired as Jets in the last 26 years since i became a fan...please educate me.
Every NFL team experiences marked roster turnover from year to year. It's the nature of the league and can't be helped.
Keyshawn Johnson was a head case and had to go. Shaun Ellis was at the end of his career and chose to go to NE. Revis was coming off a serious injury and Idzik did not feel he was worth the money. Wilkerson deserves a new deal but the Jets fell into riches by drafting Richardson and Williams, so it is debatable if they should give him the money and risk losing one of the other guys in the future. I would not say it is a loyalty issue. //Educated.
I would agree that Keyshawn Johnson is someone the Jets (and the fans) soured on too early along with John Abraham and Rob Moore. Revis basically priced himself off the team and Ellis was a player who belongs in the loyal category. Jets were very good to him but his skills were declining when he left for the Pats. Can't blame the Jets for that. Jets have been very loyal to players in the past such as Curtis Martin, Kevin Mawae, Chad Pennington (maybe too loyal) along with Chrebet (who was not drafted BTW) and Ferguson. Sometimes it's not the player or the team, but the coach. I'm thinking of a guy like Jonathan Vilma who played very well for the Jets until the next coach switched defenses and found him not suited. Past players we wish the team had kept are John Riggins, Hugh Douglas, Jeff Blake. There are probably many more examples but it's late and I'm tired. Overall, I don't think the Jets are a disloyal franchise although, maybe their choice of some players they swear allegiance too can be questioned.
The Jets have consistently overpaid players since Woody Johnson bought the team. They don't underpay at all. The Mo situation is the first time that I can think of in this ownership where a star player didn't get what he was asking for, with Revis situation complicated dramatically by the fact that he was asking for too much and he was coming off a knee injury. He'd gotten what he wanted twice before in negotiations, using holdouts to apply leverage and force the Jets hand. If you doubt he was asking too much, well the Bucs only guaranteed the 1st year and cut him after that year and the Pats only paid him $12M total for 2014. Woody is the only owner who was willing to give Revis a guarantee at the numbers he was seeking. So no, the Jets aren't a disloyal franchise, they've bent the other way for star players for at least the last generation. The change that's happening now is for the better. It is moving the Jets salary structure more towards the type of structure that championship teams have, with the obvious caveat that the Jets aren't spending a fortune on their QB because that guy isn't around yet. The champs all spend through the nose for their QB and so far only the Giants and Steelers have managed to repeat after doing that.
Obviously the Jets don't give a shit about there fans everyone knows that.As long as that skinny weirdo Woody Johnson lines his pockets everythings good.
I'm surprised the OP didn't bring up John Abraham, Jon Vilma or Chad Pennington There is next to no loyalty in football period, the system itself with the cap and non-guaranteed contracts sees to that.
There is little loyalty in football, the salary cap and personal greed have put paid to that. The shining examples are typically outliers, such as Tom Brady who is paid in stolen Nazi artwork.
I don't think the jets are different than any other team. Most teams hold a philosophy of let them go a year early than a year too late. In the early 2000s we made some general roster mistakes which the bulk of your examples fall into. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
the Jets are very loyal. The great Artie Lange summed it up perfectly. "There's times when a girl won't fuck you, but the Jets will always fuck you."
Lol I def. don't think we pay our guys properly but it is what it is. I can tell you this much .. I think we are about to dog the fuck out of Mo Wilk and Sheldon Richardson lol. Mo gonna get tagged again next year.. which isn't as bad as it sounds money wise.. it'll be about 34M guaranteed over this year and next year... that's what most guys are getting at his position anyway... meanwhile.. sheldon is gonna play this year and the option year under his rook deal. I believe Mo will be 29 by the time this is up.. then off to free agency he goes... or maybe we get an extension by then.. who knows.. After Sheldon's last 2 years under the rookie deal is up.. he'll get tagged.. (mo is gone or finally extended by then)... then may just get tagged twice.. if we want..he'll probably be about 28-29 by the time his process is done too. We're not paying a QB and Revis, Mangold, Marshall, Harris... all these guys will be off the books... i don't see why we wouldn't play it this way,. Sure Mo and Rich will hate our guts for it but what can they do? lol. It's either play under the tag or don't play at all. They'll still be very well paid from it at the end of the day.
IMO, I thought Vilma quit on the team when they changed to a 3-4. We brought Harris in for him and he was making 15-20 tackles a game. Some say JV was simply outmatched in the 3-4. Either way, his worth to us dropped fast before the trade.
Maybe some more than 25 years ago - Mo Lewis, Marvin Jones, Kyle Clifton, Freeman McNeil, Wesley Walker, Greg Buttle, Marty Lyons, Mark Gastineau. It appears David Harris and Nick Mangold will retire as Jets. And while the Jets brass has made many, many questionable personnel decisions over the years, loyalty is a two way street. Players loyalty is mostly to money the same as it is to the owners.
Keyshawn acted like a cry baby in our locker room (Bye) Mevis held out while under contact and went and got himself hurt in the process - then asked for f you type money (Bye) Ellis was just getting long in the tooth.. those type of separation's are common.
