I agree and so did an overwhelming majority of the community here. The family wanted a march and people just laughed at them. My point to him was simple, disobedience to the police is just not something that's accepted by any community, white or black. That officer gave him an extremely long time to comply, the driver did, why didnt the passenger? Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
So he came out of the vehicle with his hands up, but the shooting is justified because he was given plenty of warning leading up to the fact? I'm just trying to understand where the line is here.
The guy who got shot never got out of the vehicle. He reached for a gun. Only the driver complied. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
This is going to happen the same time as the police supporters come out and say. Hey, do you guys need to go for the gun so often? Perhaps we need to figure out some new tactics for situations where the officer is afraid there is a chance of a gun being pulled? Something a little bit more productive than have the person in the vehicle; - Sit still like a statue - Say yes sir/yes mam, Defer situational authority like you are no longer an adult but a child in the principals office. You know, even if the person you're riding with has been shot to hell; that's no time to break the roleplay. - Move slower.... no slower.... no slloowwwweeeeeerrrrrr....... infact, make it sloth like. - Don't have your ID in your pocket, glove compartment, seatside console, sun visor, in your hand, sun glasses nook, anyplace else that isn't the officers hands the instant before its asked for just to save time. - Have them use their lizard-man chameleon skills to change the gamma on their skin tone for a few minutes; in order to help the interaction go more smoothly. Oh wait, that isn't actually possible; never mind that one.
That had the reenactment. The clear dashcam video shows the passenger not complying. He was a known felon. They knew he went to prison for shooting at an officer. My bad he does get out but he was warned multiple times to comply and he didnt. He wasnt surrendering. He had no intention of surrendering clearly. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
Somehow I feel like this story would have been about an unarmed black man with his hands up being murdered in cold blood if that was a white cop shooting him. But that's just my opinion.
The other officer was white. Color doesnt matter. You have a convicted felon with a history of assault and shooting officers. Days was cordial and didnt immediately draw his weapon. Quite frankly from what i know about him, he was on his best behavior. He should have done what the driver did. Nobody shot at him. You see him immediately put his hands out the window. He was never charged with anything either. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
[/QUOTE] the guy in la had a gun in his pocket and was reaching for it. It doesn't have to be fully extended to be threat. A cop doesn't have to wait until someone declares set/match before they reacT. This guy set the stage when he was doing illegal things, waving a gun at people and then resisting while obtaining a weapon. You're not interested in even standards , you want people to have their own set of standards .
No, because I'm trained and conscientious. Stop being divisive, it's not what we need and it's not becoming of an American.
So let's talk about the recent video with Sterling then. The guy has a long criminal record, is resisting arrest with a gun on his person and his right arm appears to be at least partly free while an officer tries to get control. It's impossible to tell what actually happened with that right arm by the videos I've seen. In one video the dead guy has his hands up and has no gun on him but is walking towards the officer. In the other he has a gun on him and is actively resisting the police in a physical confrontation. The one with the hands up and no weapon is justified but the one with a weapon on his person and involved in a physical confrontation is not? I appreciate that we can have a reasonable conversation about this, BTW. The amount of hysterical nonsense being posted is unbearable.
Im not sure where youre getting the no gun part from. In the Bridgeton video, theres a gun. Thats why the officers reacted. They recovered a gun. He was non compliant. It was justified, plain and simple. I dunno if they saw the gun on sterling, but he wasnt licensed to carry and should have complied, you cant see what happened in the video, so the officers will be cleared. Im inclined to believe if he wasnt up to no good, he should have complied. The man in Minnesota was not justified period. He wasnt a threat, he complied. The office there overreacted. There was no need for a gun to be drawn. Thats the difference. The man in Minnesota had a legal right to carry and informed the officer. Shaneen allen did the same thing and she wasn't shot. He informed the officer, like hes supposed to. Obviously not gonna ambush or harm him. The case here, the officers werent informed it was an illegal firearm. The officer gave him over two minutes to comply, he didnt. Sterling should have complied also. Lets not forget the white teen that was just shot too. I dont recall seeing he had a weapon. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
I didn't mean there was no gun, I mean the gun wasn't on him. It was in the glove box (unless I missed something). With Sterling, he actually had the gun on him in his pocket. Obviously the gun being on him makes it more of a threat. In that case we don't have any video of what happened. You don't know if he complied or was a threat. I don't know how anyone can say he wasn't a threat without even knowing what went down. If a cop see's someone at a traffic stop reaching towards a gun, that's threatening behavior. It takes only an instant to go from someones hip to being fired at them. I'm not saying that IS what happened mind you. I'm saying we don't know what happened and it's reasonable that something like this did happen. Even if the guy had no intention of pulling the gun, from the officers point of view, he doesn't know. Check out some of the shoot/no shoot police training videos. It might make you think about things a little differently.
I dont necessarily disagree with the sterling shooting. In Minn however ive seen multiple reports that started what happened. Im in no way saying officers should be sacrificial lambs, or theyre all racist. Im saying is i think some officers are using their status to behave unprofessionally and yes racism does exist and we can't simply dismiss it. Lets not forget the special negro killing bullets from the 1890s. These sentiments havent disappeared. I dont think you disagree there. I in no way shape or form think all of these are race related and ive made that clear. Nor do i think shooting an office in the line of duty is acceptable either. Its one thing when youre worrying about thugs and the such. Its another when youre shooting law abiding citizens over simple matters. At the end of the day people need to step back and look at both sides not one or the other which i think were both trying to say, just in a different manner. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
You deserve to die because a black guy killed somebody across town from me this morning. Have fun dying, dipshit. And congratulations for having the typical expected responses. You are the epitome of average.
Yes, they should have. crime is crime, and you're testing the waters when you dabble in it. If people stop being criminal apologists and start using the energy to steer their children from bad lifestyles things might change. But throwing rocks in the street in anger is just paving the way for more of it in the younger generation
Hey fuckwad. My dad was in law enforcement. I have numerous family members in it as well along with friends. I also plan on going into law enforcement as well, so you better back off with being an annoying little shitstain with this.
