Republican Nomination Thread

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  1. Br4d

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    Is this the "if they just paid Priests like millionaires we'd get some great people in the Priesthood" argument?

    I don't disagree that we've got a terrible selection of people to choose from for political office these days but I think it has more to do with the savage attacks on them in popular media than anything else, that and the fact that it takes a huge amount of money to get elected these days.

    When you make politics into a take no prisoners blood sport with an entry fee in the tens of millions for a competitive election, even at the House level, you shouldn't be surprised when the only people willing to run for office are gladiators who don't care about their reputation and people who can self finance.

    Maybe one of the parties that emerges from the rubble in the 2020's will promote a real contest of values and substance and people like Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Jackson will dominate with their ideas (good and bad) however it's more likely that we'll wind up with well funded campaigns run by the corporate interests instead.

    That's where we are now and there's no sign things are going to change in the near future.

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    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch

    The tables have turned in this week’s White House Watch. After trailing Hillary Clinton by five points for the prior two weeks, Donald Trump has now taken a four-point lead.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds Trump with 43% of the vote, while Clinton earns 39%. Twelve percent (12%) still like another candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

    Last week at this time, it was Clinton 44%, Trump 39%. This is Trump’s highest level of support in Rasmussen Reports’ matchups with Clinton since last October. His support has been hovering around the 40% mark since April, but it remains to be seen whether he’s just having a good week or this actually represents a real move forward among voters.

    Trump now earns 75% support among his fellow Republicans and picks up 14% of the Democratic vote. Seventy-six percent (76%) of Democrats like Clinton, as do 10% of GOP voters. Both candidates face a sizable number of potential defections because of unhappiness with them in their own parties.
     
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    Oh lord, Rasmuessen is at it again.

    You guys got fooled in 2012 and are going to subject yourselves to this pollster again?

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...oing_out_on_a_limb_romney_beats_obama_handily

    "Bottom line: Romney 315, Obama 223."
     
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    I didn't read the article, but to be fair, it's titled "Going out on a limb".

    Just last week they had trump losing by 5%.

    I don't know how good or bad they are, but using an "out on a limb" article as the basis for a judgement against them seems silly.
     
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    btw, wasn't @deathstar a big Trump supporter all along?
     
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    Oh lord, fivethirtyeight is at it again.

    You guys got fooled in 2015 and are going to subject yourselves to this pollster again?

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/04/7-times-nate-silver-was-hilariously-wrong-about-donald-trump/

    "Bottom line: Trump has a better chance of cameoing in another “Home Alone” movie with Macaulay Culkin — or playing in the NBA Finals — than winning the Republican nomination"
     
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    Ouch silver looks like an idiot with that comment. Brutal
     
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    no one in their right mind thought he'd be the nominee.
     
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    Rasmussen is a partisan polling outfit masquerading as a public pollster and they always have been. It works when Republicans win and they look foolish when they don't.
     
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    maybe, maybe not, but people being wrong is one thing. When you make a living off your predictions like Silver does, to be THAT wrong is just awful. Maybe he should stick to being wrong about baseball
     
  14. Br4d

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    Trump fooled a lot of people this year. The reason he pulled that off was that he recognized early on that a substantial portion of the GOP electorate was beyond angry and not willing to listen to reason in this cycle.

    That's why Jeb Bush never got any traction and Rand Paul couldn't get going either. They weren't making the same arguments nor from the same wing of the party but both of them wanted to reason with the GOP electorate and create an election based on rational argumentation and the conflict of ideas. The GOP just wasn't having any of that this cycle.

    They'd been whipped into a frenzy by 6 years of "Obama all bad all the time" and a generation of "Clinton all bad all the time" and they just wanted a screamer who would follow the talk radio crowd down that path and create an election that was about screaming all the time.

    So we got Donald Trump instead of a Conservative trying to make the case for Conservatism.

    The other side of Trump's domination of the primaries was the free media attention he got on a continuing basis. He got more free coverage than all the other candidates combined to spend to put their message out .

    Finally you had a lot of crossover voters and long-term non-voters who went into the GOP primary process to cast a vote against the GOP establishment for various reasons. Open primaries really did not serve the GOP very well this electoral cycle in the places they were allowed. Trump got a huge number of votes but those votes didn't do a lot more than knocking off the GOP establishment.

    It's possible Trump will win in November, because Hillary is not a good candidate by any means, but it's more likely that the prognosticators will finally be vindicated when Trump hits his ceiling and gets only 41% of the vote or so. Gary Johnson probably is going to take somewhere between 7 and 14% of the vote this cycle and he's the person most likely to deny Trump any real chance at the Presidency.
     
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    No rational pollster is ever going to predict a Black Swan and Trump taking down the GOP establishment, an establishment that was built on hierarchy, precedence and order, is definitely a Black Swan event.

    That's why everybody on both sides of the aisle was wrong about Trump this year. It's why he has some chance to actually be elected President in November. A dissembling populist billionaire who repeatedly pokes his own party in the eye publicly is about as unlikely a person to get elected President as anybody alive but that chance is still active with a little over 4 months to go before the election.
     
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    Trump with a Star of David reference tweet about Hillary...Gotta get that anti sematic white nationalist vote.
     
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    Not all pollsters were wrong. Also I understand it was unlikely that Trump would win but Silver said he had better chances of playing in the NBA Finals than winning. Come on now. If its your job to make predictions and you say something that stupid.... and it turns out to be wrong??? well then you sir are an idiot and deserve any and all criticism sent your way
     
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    I wouldn't call Brad "sir" but you are spot on.

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