I'm glad you posted this. Removed from the game by several months, it becomes easy to say "He's only a journeyman QB, if he wants xyz, then just move on. Geno will do fine". But then you see some really solid highlights from his record setting season and you say "OMG that was awesome. Just no way in hell Geno pulls that out at that critical time in the game". And I come away feeling like we really need Fitz back for the upcomming season. If not to win the SB, then to at least string together some really awesome games.
All those teams would have made the same mistake as the Jets and overpaid for those 3 I get your argument they were more valuable on the open market but that was fools gold In this situation its a matter of money for Fitz and no team wants him other than the Jets Well be cheap and roll the dice with Geno ....bad decision imo
+10000 The problem with TGG is many posters lack two important cognitive abilities: long term memory and foresight No memory of Fitz winning 10 games and being the most productive QB in years . Its total amnesia if he wants more money than 7 mil per A complete lack of foresight of the crap we will get from Geno people blame the schedule and say it doesn't matter: a complete defeatist attitude
A complete defeatist attitude. You call yourself a Fan? Sure go tank the season with Geno and I would rather have a 9-7 season of entertainment versus a dumpster fire of frustration Go ahead waste a season and millions of dollars in talent lol good management decision They are no others decent QBs out there so we need to pay Fitz a little more Mac screwed us up with 117 million in bad contracts....70 mil to DR No wonder Mo is not getting paid either SMH
Reality is reality. I said 9-7 AT BEST That's my prediction based on a much tougher schedule this year and the likelihood that Fitz regresses to the mean this year. People thinking that Fitz is going through a Rich Gannon like resurgence late in his career are as misguided as those Genobots who think that he will develop into a franchise QB this year. I'm not saying that I don't want Fitz at all - I just don't want Mac throwing him a ridiculous contract that hurts us 2-3 years down the line. Hey - we missed the playoffs with a cream puff schedule and Fitz playing way over his head. I am positive that we can do just as bad without him having a 12 million dollar cap figure next year and the following. Fitz will be a jet this year. Mac is being prudent enough to set up a contract that ensures that he'll only be a jet the next two years if his play warrants it. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
To be fair,the Giants also shot themselves in the foot more than once in that game. Plus the giants were not even that good, the Jets shouldn't have needed a comeback to beat them. There's more to being a good QB than having a comeback. What about playing more consistently for all four quarters? Early in that game he was horrible. Don't get me wrong, it was nice winning 5 in a row there, but for most of that run the Jets barely squeaked by against mediocre teams like Dallas and Tennessee and really only beat one good team during that stretch. It was hardly impressive at all aside from the Patriots win.
No, fitz is fools gold. If you cant see the difference between giving 20 somethings on the rise or elite long money vs giving 30 something journeyman long money i don't know why this conversation should continue
My memory of Fitzpatrick is one of a career journeyman QB for teams that have no real ambition to win a championship It's not about Geno....We already have him locked up for minimal money Why drop a bunch of money on a QB who just isn't good enough and has no long term potential? It just makes zero sense. People of your mindset are scared of the unknown and would rather settle for a mediocre type season with Fitz...that seems more like a defeatist attitude to me
You yourself admit that no other team wants him. Why is it then being "cheap" to not give him what he wants? Just like in the business world, the law of supply and demand helps set prices. There is no demand for Fitz' services other than the Jets. The Jets have every right to set the value they see for him. Why bid against themselves? Why overpay for a JAG QB, especially when there are no guarantees that the Jets would be any better this season with him at QB than with Geno? No one here knows how the season would play out with either Geno or Fitz at QB. Mac and Bowles don't even know. Everyone is guessing, and most here are guessing based on pure emotion out of their hatred for Geno.
..... did u see the part where the giants threw it on 4th down instead of kicking it to go up 10? They gave us that game.. Fitz executed in crunch time for sure but there shouldnt have been a crunch time... i was confused as to what the giants were trying to accomplish.
Neither are problems here with many posters. We remember the Jets winning 10 games just fine last season (and it was the Jets, NOT Fitz). Yes, he had the most productive season last season a Jets QB has had in years, but what is that saying really? The other Jets QB seasons recently have been pretty much shit, so in reality it's only saying that his season was a little less shitty than theirs. Yes, the TD record is nice, but much of that is due to Marshall. He made Fitz better, not vice versa. Look at the rest of Fitz statistics and rankings. On most of them, he was ranked between 25 and 32. That was against a bunch of bad defenses. Only once has he put up decent back-to-back seasons, and that was in 2014 in Texas and 2015 here. The odds of his having a third decent season in a row aren't good, especially when one considers the level of defenses we'll be playing this year. Geno's better accuracy and arm strength could more than make up for the fact that Fitz gets the ball out quicker. Fitz knows the offense and gets the ball out quickly. Those are his major attributes as a QB. The players like him, so I guess that's another attribute. He limits the offense due to his weak arm, his accuracy isn't that good, he makes his share of dumb decisions and forces the ball, and is reckless at times. IMO he is not worth $12 million for one season, much less for each of two seasons (or more). I think he should be grateful that any team still wants him. Foresight my ass. That's ridiculous. You're better than that. There are a few here who think they know everything and who try to act like they know what the future holds, but they're in the minority. Sadly, you're one of them. You're trying to extrapolate what Geno did in a different offensive system that didn't really fit his skills/talents, with inferior coaching, and at a time when he was more immature, had a different attitude and had little or no weapons around him, and at a time when he shouldn't have even been playing, and project that onto what he would do in a completely different offensive system, with different skill players around him, with better coaching, and with a more mature and professional attitude. It doesn't get any stupider than that. That's fact. The truth is that not even Gailey or Bowles know how either Fitz or Geno would play this season and which one would be better. They want Fitz back because he's more of a known quantity and his offensive teammates like him, whereas Geno is more of a wildcard. That doesn't mean or guarantee that Fitz would be better.
It is NOT a defeatist attitude. It's a realistic attitude and the attitude of a better fan. Whereas you and a few others only care about yourselves and what you want, and short term satisfaction, the rest of us care about the long term effect on the team and we want to see the team continue to build and improve. The money that we waste on Fitz could be used to shore up other positions, either this season following TC cuts, or next season in FA. Mac did NOT screw us with bad contracts. Sorry, but that's just stupid. Mac knows a hell of a lot more than you or any of us do.
Rev Revis is not 20 something and accounted for 70 million. He is not elite and 5 years was way too long for him Shrine and Gilchrist "On the rise" is your opinion The amount of money given doesn't match their performance You obviously love your defense I get that But where is Mo Will contract? Wheres the priority? All the money went to these three players 177 mil long money vs 24 mill Fitz is asking is comparing apples and oranges But Geno cost practically nothing and he looks good in OTAs ...
Its not the unknown at all. Geno has proven time and again he sucks You like him , be my guest You guys are afraid Fitz has a decent or another good season thats all
So starting out of the gate as a rookie for 1.5 years in a shit situation = can never improve or get better? OK thanks, got it. Would have loved to see Fitz as a rookie throwing to David Nelson LOL Why would we be afraid of that? If Fitz comes back for the salaries reported I won't agree with the move but I'll root like hell that he does well
revis was elite and still one of the top cbs in the league, he is not guaranteed for 5 years and becomes cuttalbe after this, his 2nd. skrine and ghilly are also cuttable after this season with significant cap savings. so please stop. your act is very trollish
I get want you are saying. We differ in our projection of how Fitz will perform next season and thats Ok Disagree that the FO "doesn't even know " how he will do . If they didn't the low ball offer of 7-8 mil would never have been bumped up to 12. Sounds like they want him back..plus his locker is waiting for him. Hatred of Geno? When Fitz had us winning did you give GS a second thought ? Of course not I am kinda surprised your selling out Fitz because the Jets have to pay him more money Also you think that Geno is capable which really surprises me there are no guarantees at anything only probabilities. Probability is greater with Fitz
No one is infallible...and of hindsight is 20/20. I understand that But as a GM Mac should have made Mo a priority not darell Revis. The long term effect of the Revis contract is milking money from cap space going forward. I have few criticisms of Mac but this is one of them . A GM should know when to offer 5 year outrageous deal that ties up money with a known mercenary Mevi$ I always want the team to improve thats just silly. The future is Hackenburg Petty and 70% of the rest of the team the discussion here is $ for a bridge QB that also gives us the best chance of winning. Shore up the rest of the team ? Mac plugs holes every year. I think many posters compare the Fitz contract like its for Fletcher Cox .lol I am all for future planning, but we are built to win now my friend
But that is the way the Jets were projected to win last year. Play solid defense, keep the games close, don't make foolish mistakes on offense and have a chance to win at the end. That formula probably won't win you a SB but should have a good chance to get you into the playoffs.
No. Most here are guessing based on past performance and experience. Bowles and MacCagnan are basing their professional opinions on what they see every time one of these guys gets or has gotten on a playing field and attended a meeting.
