So you really believe that she will do nothing on guns? You are really that fucking stupid where you buy that.
The world changes, laws change...The world was a different place in 1787. You know over 220 years ago... Guns are no longer muskets, people can buy sniper rifles and auto-fire...There was no law and order, but a Sheriff, Marshall, and local enforcers. Horses helped us get around... The world has changed...Slavery was a thing in 1787, and 60 years later it wasn't.
Weak sauce. The founders were some of the most innovative thinkers of their time. And you don't think they considered technological advances. There is nothing wrong w/ the principles laid down in the constitution, they are timeless.
I already showed you what she wants to do. Is the problem that it doesn't correspond with the documented lies you want to believe?
Do you think that Madison, Jefferson, et al ever were innovative thinkers enough to believe that the insane or criminals were included in their sweeping generalizations?
No I dont think they thought about technological advances this far ahead or even 100 years ahead. Their priorities were to get the country established and get rid of the problem which were the Brits. It made sense to bear arms at the time because people didnt trust nations would could come back and do whatever it takes to claim back a country. Here is a unique article on Madison and the deleted items of his Bill of Rights. https://www.yahoo.com/news/five-ite...l-bill-rights-113008778--politics.html?ref=gs Five items Congress deleted from Madison’s original Bill of Rights Also, I picked this up from the comments section that I thought was very interesting. Civics lesson continued... originally published on U.S. Constitution {dot} net. I am not the original author of this material but I do subscribe to the writings. The Constitution was written by several committees over the summer of 1787, but the committee most responsible for the final form we know today is the "Committee of Stile and Arrangement." This Committee was tasked with getting all of the articles and clauses agreed to by the Convention and putting them into a logical order. On September 10, 1787, the Committee of Style set to work, and two days later, it presented the Convention with its final draft. The members were Alexander Hamilton, William Johnson, Rufus King, James Madison, and Gouverneur Morris. The actual text of the Preamble and of much of the rest of this final draft is usually attributed to Gouverneur Morris. The newly minted document began with a grand flourish in the Preamble, the Constitution's raison d'être. It holds in its words the hopes and dreams of the delegates to the convention, a justification for what they had done. Its words are familiar to us today, but because of time and context, the words are not always easy to follow. The remainder of this Topic Page will examine each sentence in the Preamble and explain it for today's audience. We the People of the United States The Framers were an elite group — among the best and brightest America had to offer at the time. But they knew that they were trying to forge a nation made up not of an elite, but of the common man. Without the approval of the common man, they feared revolution. This first part of the Preamble speaks to the common man. It puts into writing, as clear as day, the notion that the people were creating this Constitution. It was not handed down by a god or by a king — it was created by the people. in Order to form a more perfect Union The Framers were dissatisfied with the United States under the Articles of Confederation, but they felt that what they had was the best they could have, up to now. They were striving for something better. The Articles of Confederation had been a grand experiment that had worked well up to a point, but now, less than ten years into that experiment, cracks were showing. The new United States, under this new Constitution, would be more perfect. Not perfect, but more perfect. establish Justice Injustice, unfairness of laws and in trade, was of great concern to the people of 1787. People looked forward to a nation with a level playing field, where courts were established with uniformity and where trade within and outside the borders of the country would be fair and unmolested. Today, we enjoy a system of justice that is one of the fairest in the world. It has not always been so — only through great struggle can we now say that every citizen has the opportunity for a fair trial and for equal treatment, and even today there still exists discrimination. But we still strive for the justice that the Framers wrote about. insure domestic Tranquility One of the events that caused the Convention to be held was the revolt of Massachusetts farmers known as Shays' Rebellion. The taking up of arms by war veterans revolting against the state government was a shock to the system. The keeping of the peace was on everyone's mind, and the maintenance of tranquility at home was a prime concern. The framers hoped that the new powers given the federal government would prevent any such rebellions in the future. provide for the common defence (British spelling of defense) The new nation was fearful of attack from all sides — and no one state was really capable of fending off an attack from land or sea by itself. With a wary eye on Britain and Spain, and ever-watchful for Indian attack, no one of the United States could go it alone. They needed each other to survive in the harsh world of international politics of the 18th century. promote the general Welfare This, and the next part of the Preamble, are the culmination of everything that came before it — the whole point of having tranquility, justice, and defense was to promote the general welfare — to allow every state and every citizen of those states to benefit from what the government could provide. The framers looked forward to the expansion of land holdings, industry, and investment, and they knew that a strong national government would be the beginning of that. and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity Hand in hand with the general welfare, the framers looked forward to the blessings of liberty — something they had all fought hard for just a decade before. They were very concerned that they were creating a nation that would resemble something of a paradise for liberty, as opposed to the tyranny of a monarchy, where citizens could look forward to being free as opposed to looking out for the interests of a king. And more than for themselves, they wanted to be sure that the future generations of Americans would enjoy the same. do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America The final clause of the Preamble is almost anti-climactic, but it is important for a few reasons — it finishes the "We, the people" thought, saying what we the people are actually doing; it gives us a name for this document, and it restates the name of the nation adopting the Constitution. That the Constitution is "ordained" reminds us of the higher power involved here — not just of a single person or of a king, but of the people themselves. That it is "established" reminds us that it replaces that which came before — the United States under the Articles (a point lost on us today, but quite relevant at the time).
He means the founding fathers lived in a bubble, the world at the time considered some people as property. These men had to win the common people over through ambiguous context. Alot of these men openly showcased their property "slaves". Old Abe is the the one that changed this country, it took his courage and patience to revolutionize a prior time that was still living in the American stone age.
Nothing in that article or post supports your theory that the constitution and the explicitly expressed views of the founders are antiquated
The first auto-fire rifle was made in 1779. No way the founding fathers could have imagined this type of technology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle
Sorry if I need to spell it out for some of you but what I'm getting at is that those entrusted to write the documents on which this nation was founded were educated, forward thinking, intelligent men who would believe it absurd that anyone then, or now, would have the slightest inkling that their words and writings would be inclusive of violent criminals and the mentally unstable.
Read this shit...Tell me if this is okay. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/us/when-the-right-to-bear-arms-includes-the-mentally-ill.html?_r=0 When the Right to Bear Arms Includes the Mentally Ill Last April, workers at Middlesex Hospital in Connecticut called the police to report that a psychiatric patient named Mark Russo had threatened to shoot his mother if officers tried to take the 18 rifles and shotguns he kept at her house. Mr. Russo, who was off his medication for paranoid schizophrenia, also talked about the recent elementary school massacre in Newtown and told a nurse that he “could take a chair and kill you or bash your head in between the eyes,” court records show. The police seized the firearms, as well as seven high-capacity magazines, but Mr. Russo, 55, was eventually allowed to return to the trailer in Middletown where he lives alone. In an interview there recently, he denied that he had schizophrenia but said he was taking his medication now — though only “the smallest dose,” because he is forced to. His hospitalization, he explained, stemmed from a misunderstanding: Seeking a message from God on whether to dissociate himself from his family, he had stabbed a basketball and waited for it to reinflate itself. When it did, he told relatives they would not be seeing him again, prompting them to call the police. As for his guns, Mr. Russo is scheduled to get them back in the spring, as mandated by Connecticut law.
The founders lived in a bubble? what contempt smh This discussion has nothing to do with slavery but since that's all the liberal argument always goes back to Lets be clear the founders mostly did not envision slavery being an everlasting condition. Their attitudes on slaves vs guns are clearly contrasted http://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-and-Slavery-1269536 Slavery has existed in every corner of the world throughout history. Once machines replaced the need for human labor in industrialized nations, slavery became a thing of the past. In un-industrialized nations it still exists.
Nobody was arguing that violent felons should have guns. Thanks for your input. You can pipe down now.
