Looking Back at PFF's 2015 Draft Grades

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  1. Chadchrebet

    Chadchrebet Well-Known Member

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    PFF and Sabermetrics guys in baseball have never worn a jock strap in their lives.
     
  2. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    PFF isn't all that reliable, but those sabermetrics guys help their teams win a lot of games.
     
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  3. jetlife21

    jetlife21 Well-Known Member

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    Who would care about 2015 draft grades when you need at least 3 years minimum to evaluate a draft class.
     
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  4. Footballgod214

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    fans always say it takes 3 years to properly evaluate a draft class. I'm surprised that I NEVER see draft classes evaluated after 3 years. Maybe a player here and there, but never the whole class. Someone on here should make a thread that evaluates all our picks from 3 yrs ago. We should do this every year looking 3 yrs back.

    Tag not it.
     
  5. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    PFF is a horse shit excuse for sabermetrics. Billy Beane is the first sabermetrics executive to notably apply the method to constructing a professional team with it. He's built $40 million salary teams into 11/19 winning seasons, 8 playoff teams, and 6 division titles. Granted, he's never gotten over the hump, but he was the 23rd overall pick in the 1980 MLB draft. It's safe to way he wore a jock strap.

    It's tough to apply it to football, because there's a lot more factors in an NFL game, than an MLB game. If sabermetrics are used as a supplement for building a team, it can be extremely useful, especially in football. If an NFL executive exclusively uses it, then he will probably experience a lot of losing seasons. If it's used a tertiary analysis to try to help to evaluate players it can be very helpful.
     
  6. Chadchrebet

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    and ZERO world series. Those A's teams had Zito, Mulder, Hudson. what SABR accounts for those three horses.
     
  7. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    They won 100+ games with a tiny payroll. Then Theo Epstein copied them and won championships. Meanwhile GMs like Dave Stewart in AZ are still dumb enough to mock analytics. Then their teams suck and we laugh at them.
     
  8. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, only Theo also copied them with triple the budget, and the backing of a legendary ball park and fan base. Beane did it in the dump that is the Coliseum, usually finishing somewhere in the 27-28 range in attendance.

    In response to Chrebet, explain to me their 94 and 96 win seasons in 2012 and 2013. Beane is an innovator, and while he didn't create analytics he's the first executive to ever successfully apply it. It's a lot more cut and dry in a sport like baseball where you can play with a lot percentages. There's no percentages to play with in terms of your interior three offensive lineman being able to block a pro-bowl nose tackle.

    Hence why I said analytics should be used a lot more lightly in football, but to think it doesn't work in baseball? What do you think the shift phenomenon that ended any chance at batting titles lefty pull hitters careers like Mark Teixieria had? The percentage of balls they hit to one area of the field. Can't be done very effectively with football, but it can't hurt taking a peak at them.
     
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  9. HomeoftheJets

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    Analytics can be very useful in football. The problem I have is when people pull numbers out of their asses and call it analytics (PFF, the obsession with combine measurables, etc). Analytics are supposed to model the real world and what's actually relevant, but people forget that sometimes.
     
  10. Chadchrebet

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    I don't have to explain divisional wins in crap divisions, it can happen, sans SABR. I probably never going to agree with you, and I'm never going to convince you otherwise. With that said define success? Never won a world series, one playoff victory. Idk Billy Beane is a gimmick IMO.

    The argument that Theo Epstein copied him is a stretch. Three times the payroll? Idk.

    Finally, Tex is a switch hitter.
     

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