So you think statistics, metrics, and analytics represent "other people's opinions"?! (can't believe I'm dignifying with a reply a post that includes the word "jerkoffs" not once, which would be bad enough, but twice. lol...I feel like I'm back in junior high!)
Jerkoffs who never saw a player play shouldn't lecture non-jerkoffs who saw him play with articles and opinion pieces that aren't said jerkoffs own opinions. If jerkoffs want to form their opinions based upon the opinions of others, that's fine. Don't be a jerkoff and try to pass that opinion off as your own, lest you sound like a jerkoff. _
From what I read that's not how it works. At least that article I cited didn't explain it that way. They made it sound like they take official NFL statistics, use those that are most relevant, put them together in a way that makes sense using some kind of formula, and discard the irrelevant stats. It may not be perfect, but at least it's some kind of objective, consistent measure, as opposed to fans watching you tube videos with an untrained eye.
How can something that's derived from a formula made up by a bunch of button-pushers in a basement be objective?
How can anyone actually put any stock in Einstein's theories then either? I mean, but your logic, he was just some freak with messy hair, probably living in his parents' basement, who made up some formulas....I can't believe there are people in this thread actually trying to argue that their opinions are better than the results of computer models analyzing objective statistics, carefully constructed by NFL experts. Unreal. But these couch potatoes know better....oh ok. lol.
It's all subjective. Basically, some guy sits in his mom's basement and watches a play and pulls a grade from -2.0 to 2.0 out of his ass depending on what type of mood he's in. Then 2 other guys in their mom's basements verify the grade. https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/ The end result looks fancy and objective because it's a bunch of numbers but you have to realize where they came from. I love PFF for their "advanced stats" like passer rating under pressure, deep accuracy, etc. Those are all actual statistics that are just stratified based on particular situations and they're very useful. But their grades are garbage.
It's funny how someone throws out a an iconic mathematical or scientific formula that has been proofed, analyzed and scrutinized for decades as evidence that someone's made up statistical analysis (that the OP doesn't even understand) concerning opinions about football players should hold the same water. If there was one formula/analysis/model universally accepted that produced perfect predictability results every time (i) everyone would use it and (ii) there would be no need to make up new formulas seemingly every month. Sophistry at its finest. _
For example, let's say we're arguing about Ryan Fitzpatrick. If you told me "his passer rating under pressure was 56.3 and he only completed 31% of his throws over 25 yards" I'd say wow, those are some great points. He has an argument. (I made those stats up for this example btw) If you told me "his cumulative PFF grade is -3.8" I'd laugh at you. It's just not nearly as tangible.
There are some dudes watching football (and in life) who cannot think for themselves so they need someone to tell them how to think. Slapping fancy labels and putting a bunch of numbers and formulas helps to convince themselves. _
Yes, Truth did actually just compare the goofball "analysts" on PFF to Einstein. That did actually just happen.
Here are the qualifications listed on PFF's site for their cadre of NFL Einsteins: The successful candidate must have: ● Demonstrable knowledge of the NFL product and what PFF does ● A very high level of enthusiasm and passion for football and Pro Football Focus ● Excellent interpersonal and communication skills (both written and verbal) ● Ability to meet deadlines ● Positive attitude, strong work ethic, and excellent attention to detail ● At least 20 hours of free time per week, with a large amount of time available on weekends That's the high level of expertise that goes into the highly technical computer models at Football NASA aka PFF.
So if you're breathing, love football and don't have many obligations on the weekend, you're all set on being an NFL guru?
We have talked about PFF on this board and many have said this same thing here but here is a good article summarizing them: "It is important to note what Pro Football Focus is. Actually, first we’ll define what they are NOT. They are not taking raw numbers and data and crunching them into new and exotic formulas to provide a different sort of insight into player performance. This is not sabermetrics for football. No, their methods are different. They are a UK-based company, who obtain games through NFL Rewind and sit and watch and grade each player on each play." https://bostonsportsmedia.com/2014/06/04/can-pro-football-focus-stats-be-blindly-trusted/ I personally think average people on their couch grading each play is useless especially when they don't have a clue what the player was supposed to do in that play. A LB not following a RB in coverage but having to tackle him after a 20 yard gain might look like the player screwed up but your average joe doesn't know what his assignment was. Maybe he had middle zone, maybe the play was designed to be a delayed blitz, etc. A OG might double down on the nose tackle and miss the blitzing LB on the other side of him completely, getting a bad grade from PFF. But maybe the QB called for a double on the NT in the huddle with the RB picking up any blitzers! PFF, I have serious questions about how they handle stuff like that. Even lifelong NFL scouts and coaches, real football gurus, struggle with this idea that you just don't know what the player was supposed to do. Its not baseball where you can clearly see one guy is trying to hit the ball and one guy is trying to get him out. --- Another thing from the article I linked that is concerning is that PFF has been online and making their "grades" since 2007. The NFL didn't even start NFL rewind until quite some time after. The "All-22" film release didn't occur until 2013 ish.. so.. basically for a long time they were making grades and developing their system without even the possibility of seeing all the players on all of the plays. Also, and I dont know if this has changed or not (the article is from 2014) but the NFL doesnt even release the all-22 film until mid-week. PFF comes out with grades on mondays. How can you have a system where you grade a player like its gospel on each play without seeing each player on each play? --- This is just another reason why I hope Hackenberg turns out to be a good QB. Obviously because he plays for my favorite team but because PFF went out of their way to trash this kid and I hope he makes them look like the fools that they are.
