Sometimes the best moves a GM can make are the ones that he doesn't make for whatever reason. We may have lucked out that no one would accept the Jets trade up offer. OTOH Tunsil could prove to be a HOFer.
Wouldn't both scenarios be considered a win for the jets? If we went up for Tunsil we would have what everyone considered a sure fire LT for the next 10 yrs, we didn't so we got two dynamic(hopefully) players to fill positions of need and a young qb who may turn out to be the franchise qb we all want or who may bust. The last piece of that article stating the jets willingness to give up their 2nd shows they aren't all in on Hackenburg is bs imo. If you had a decision to make which in your view was 10 yr+ starter at LT vs a LB and project qb wouldn't you always be taking the LT? To use that outcome to try and bash the jets is somewhat disingenuous imo
As the Jets discovered with the Dewayne Robertson, Darrelle Revis David Harris and Mark Sanchez trades trading up can work in the short term and still cause you to have roster quality problems down the road. It's true that the second pick and subsequent picks included in the trade up can bust however good teams hit on many of those picks and add quality players with them.. That's why they are good teams. Good NFL franchises just say no to trade ups. If you have a policy of often trading down at your pick you can build up the depth and roster base to allow the occasional trade up. That's kind of the exception. Of note: the Patriots don't draft that well. They actually get subpar value out of their picks on a pick for pick basis. However they trade down often and accumulate picks and so their overall draft talent acquired is average despite not using picks as well as the average NFL team.
Following is an interesting comment from Cimini (has he lost some of his Jets bias, or does he really respect Mac?). The bolding is mine. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-je...enkins-and-the-jets-squeaky-clean-wonder-boys
Giants traded up for Eli Manning. At the time San Diego got credit for making out like bandits. Not only did they win two SBs with Eli but they beat the unbeatable undefeated Patriots. As the Giants if they regret trading up. --------------------------- In 2000 the Jets traded up from pick 16 to pick 12 in exchange for their second rounder to pick Sean Ellis. You also mentioned the Revis trade as bad but Ellis and Revis were two of the best things we ever did on draft day.
In 2000 the Jets had 2 extra draft picks in the 1st round from Belichik and Keyshawn. In 2003 they had one from Lavernues Coles. The 2000 trade up was reasonable in that context and the 2003 trade up selected D-Rob, which made it both a bad move and a bad pick.
The Jets records after trading up for Revis: 2007 4-12 2008 9-7 2009 9-7 2010 11-5 2011 8-8 2012 6-10 That doesn't look like a successful run to me. It looks like the Jets were on the treadmill for 6 years.
cant blame revis for not defending the comeback route , nobody on this planet can cover that route , don't know why teams don't run it more, it is literally impossible to cover, receiver runs then stops short , as soon as he is about to make his turn around the ball is already in the air coming to him, cornerback is literally 3 yards behind him, if he stops short and then takes off again the corner is left in the dust
after a few of those in that last game last year against Watkins the jets coaching staff should have put a linebacker over in the area also
Right but you can't say that trading up to draft Revis and Harris produced sustained success either because it clearly didn't. Those trade ups were as much a part of the talent decline in 2011 and 2012 as anything else. You can't keep trading picks to consolidate value because a few great players doesn't win you anything in the NFL. A great team does.
In that draft the Jets moved up from 25 to 14 to take Revis giving up a late second round pick (59). They also swapped their fifth round pick for a sixth round pick. Using their other second round pick (63) a third round pick (84), and the sixth rounder they got in the Revis trade they moved up and got Harris. Option one (stay put) means getting two lesser players at 25 and 63. It also means getting three other lesser players at 59, 84, and round five. Option two (moving up) got the Jets two starters / pro bowl players for a decade. Looking at the Jets track record in round two (and later) I think moving up was the right call.
Everybody knows the Saints big move up the standings on the way to their Super Bowl win happened because they got Drew Brees when the Chargers decided to let him go in favor of Philip Rivers. They likely wouldn't have gotten over the top though without the 4th, 5th and 7th round picks who became excellent players for them. Complimenting Brees on his and the team's ascension to the top were RG Jahri Evans (108th pick in the 2006 draft), Carl Nicks (164th pick in the 2008 draft) and Marques Colston (206th pick in the 2006 draft). The LT Jermon Bushrod was the 125th pick in the 2007 draft. That's what you give up when you make repeated trades up the draft board to cherry pick players you really like. You don't get 4 quality starters on a Super Bowl caliber offense over 3 drafts from the 108th pick onwards. The Revis trade up was a terrible trade for the Jets. Even though he joined a veteran team and was a great player the roster went into a serious decline within 5 seasons of his arrival. Same for David Harris. In 2009 the Jets had to make a trade for a late prime WR to compliment their young QB. That WR was done two years later. They were starting a 33 year old free agent LG. In 2010 they had a 6th round pick at LG who wasn't good enough. By 2011 the Jets were starting a turnstile at RT. They had 2 WR's past their expiration date playing major roles for the team. They still had the LG causing problems. You can look at Revis and say he was a great player but he wasn't greater than keeping the picks and using them wisely to create a strong roster would have been. The Jets did this over and over again over a 7 year period from 2003 to 2009. They treated their mid-round picks like they had no value. That's why the Saints won the Super Bowl at their peak in 2009 and the Jets went home early.
I'm relatively torn on whether or not I'd do the trade based on Tunsil's sketchy personality, but the Giants are run by a bunch of morons. Some sort of leak clued the Bears and Titans into the top two players on their board which forced them to panic and reach to draft a corner that should've been around til the Bengals/Steelers picked. That and shelling out the amount of money Olivier Vernon and that corner they signed. It reminds me of signing free agents in Madden where you give them $15 million more than everyone else right off the bat before you sim so they sign right away. Maybe I'm just being a hater but they definitely opened a window for themselves, yet still have gaping holes at safety and the right side of their offensive line.
