He didn't play good when we needed him most. As for the Jets not winning 10 games without him. We both know that's just your opinion and not a fact. For all we know we could have won more games or less without him.
"laughable"...? Geno maybe...but Petty and Hack haven't even played yet. You think you know more than the people that drafted them?
You answered it right there. Neither have played yet and you think they're ready to take the reins next season compared to Fitz? No comparison. Like I said, if the money's right than Fitz is a no brainer option for a year or two. If he wants too much, then I too think they need to let him walk.
I was just going by what you have written in the posts I have responded to. Things like: and and and At any given time in a team's history, one doesn't know what the team will look like in a couple of years. Players get injured, suddenly retire, get old, draft picks bust, FAs are brought in as well as draft picks and UDFAs. So going by your words, it sounds as if your philosophy is playing one year at the time and doing everything one can to get into the playoffs that season. One can't do that if one is drafting for the future, or being prudent with contracts. In saying this in conjunction with your other comments, it sounds as if you're saying that the Jets should have drafted players that would help them win this year, not in the future, and like you're talking about "going all in." Talking about "win now" is pretty synonymous to "going all in" imo. If that wasn't your intent, I'm sorry if I misunderstood you, but that's how it read to me. Besides, you're deflecting anyway. You conveniently ignored and didn't respond to my comments about how Mac has talked about how he is building this team. Your comments regarding Forte and just getting in the playoffs every year are thus totally off base. There are 125 pages in this thread. Surely you aren't so narcissistic to think that I've read and remembered every word you've written on the subject. My reading comprehension is just fine. I can't help it if you can't communicate clearly. The impetus is on the writer to be clear in communication, not on the reader. I didn't say that Fitz would be bad this year. I said "more than likely" and "chances aren't good." I never claimed to know the future. The truth is that no one knows, even Fitz, how well he will or won't play this year, but the odds of his having two good years in a row aren't very good, since he's never done it before. But it's ironic your trying to criticize me for saying I know what would happen in the future, when you're the one who did that. It's pointless to continue the discussion any further. We see things very differently and I don't think we'll ever come to any compromise or consensus.
I'm not kidding myself. But I'm also not going to say that any other QB would had done the same or better. The facts are we just don't know.
Fair enough. I can appreciate the fact that your posts are well thought out and we agree to disagree here.
I think it's going to come down to incentives. If he plays like an elite quarterback, he should get paid as such, no matter how much people want to typecast and downgrade his skillset. Give him a decent base and then if he hits the numbers he gets much more which is completely fair for both sides
Another "Chan Gaily is a freaking QB whisperer" post. Maybe I am missing it but could you point out which QB's he turned from a 3rd stringer into a All Pro. I'm going to be lazy and repost what I said when I asked someone else the same question. Look at Elway, had 19 TDs and 13 INTs in 86, 19 TDs and 12 INTs in 87, Gailey gets there in 88 and the next 3 seasons Elway goes 17/19, 18/18, 15/14. One year with Tomczak, 55.45 completions, 15 TDs and 17 INTs. Next year Kordell Stewart 53.6% completions with 188 yards a game. He may have had a couple that had good seasons under him but there was never any transformation, never a QB that went from crap to top of the league under Gailey. Fitz was familiar with Gailey's system, had a very good supporting cast and has been in the league for long enough that his game has improved somewhat through the years. That was why he put up the numbers he did last year.
One can't turn chicken shit into chicken salad. It was never said that Gailey was a miracle worker and turned a no talent bum into a great player. It has only been said that he alters his offensive system to take advantage of whatever strengths his QB and offensive players have, and that he has gotten the most out of his QBs' limited talent that he could.
I have pointed out numerous examples where the QB he was working with got worse or had terrible seasons. That is not getting the most out of his QB's talent and he is certainly not "a great QB developer". "Great QB developer" and "freaking QB whisperer" would make it seem he could do more than just take advantage of his QB and offensive play makers strengths.
Gailey has had some interesting QB prospects to work with over the years. A 7th round QB out of Harvard. A Slash who won more with his feet than his arm. Several no-name backups who had to play on a regular basis during a season or more. He's done a very good job overall and he was able to support Aikman in having decent years at the end of the Cowboy dynasty. Is he the best thing since buttered toast? Nah, but if you're going to be working with unconventional QB's he's pretty close.
I am officially over FITZ, sadly… Im ready to see one of these young gunz under center… NO GENO...and if mark sanchize wins a SB with the broncos i might drink myself into a coma this year….
Neither Petty nor Hackenberg are ready to go under center yet and we'll likely see another failed young QB if either of them is put there. Sanchez could win a Super Bowl with a great defense and good offensive tools around him. He's not 22 "who-what-where?" any more. He's not a great QB by any stretch of the imagination but if he's properly supported he doesn't have to be. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl off of a RB and an all-time great defense.
I'm getting to the point of being over this guy too. My cut off date is the end of the month. If nothing, go trade for McCown or Foles and groom Petty/Hackenburg to be the next guy. I'm sure Marshall and Decker will understand. Decker was good with Tebow. Marshall was good with Henne. We can get through this. In Mac we trust!
Perhaps I am misreading what you intend to state here, and if so, I apologize in advance, but I do not see how anyone could call Fitz's performance last year "elite." I say this being an admirer of how he plays the game. But he is who he is, and who he is, isn't even in the shadow of "elite." He played average at best against lesser teams many times, and very poorly against the better teams we came up against last year. His numbers are more a product of his outstanding receiving corps than they are anything else. Marshall, in particular, pulled his ass out of the fire more than a dozen times with near circus catches and just outright determination. Then there is the fact that he choked when we needed it most (and yes, he was not alone by any stretch there, but he did play abhorrently bad) - not elite. Fitz has a lot of experience, he makes good decisions and he protects the ball, I'll give you that, but aside from that he is an average QB - at best. I think the Jets are handling this exactly as they should be - make a fair offer, stand on it, and move on if need be.
Perhaps I'm misreading but let my type out an essay anyway on my misunderstanding of your point.... The dude means we should give him a contract laden with incentives. If fitz plays beyond all of your expectations and plays like an MVP than the incentive laden contract should pay him big money. If he plays average then the incentives wouldn't kick in and he'd make average money.
