I don't think I ever busted anyone's chops about Manziel not cleaning up his act. I thought he was a talented player that could play in the NFL and most of the discourse was about that. I never said he could succeed even if he kept up his partying. But I think we could all agree he has gone COMPLETELY overboard since leaving college. The kid is going to die. _
I'm a lot more excited about the Hack pick than I was about the Petty pick. I thought Petty had similar footwork and accuracy issues coming out of college. He sprayed the ball all over the place at times too. The difference is Hack knows a ton more about football and is 4 years younger. *ducks*
Watching his games his inaccuracy can be attributed to the following: -poor footwork -pressure in his face from bad o-line play -receivers not getting much separation -poor scheme with long developing routes I think a "natural thrower" can overcome 1 and/or 2 of those but not the combination of all 4. Note the only one of those items you would think would under his control is his footwork, yet even that was being messed with.
You bet. A guy just above even knows what's going on in his head. Maybe we could wait to see if he needs help tying his shoes before canonizing him or relegating him to the trash heap.
Let's not confuse aptitude to quickly learn and exposure to certain football concept with having great football IQ. I would think some level of correctly executing on the field what you are able to learn on the white board is tied in to your football IQ.
There are a lot of big and big arm QB that come out every year and they don't get drafted in the 2nd round. I'm not a FO homer, but I would like to think Mac, a long time scout, sees more than just his size and big arm. On the topic of Mac on Hack, there are several Youtube clips out there of Hack's pro day taken from various angles. There's one where you can see Mac standing behind him alone with no Jets entourage the whole time jotting down notes after every throw.
Whole thread of back and forth on the matter with accusations of me hating Manziel and you defending him all the way through. Please, once on the internet always on the internet. http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/manziel-kicking-ass-in-sandusky.82644/
If you can't see his ability to read Ds and make changes at the line and his football IQ, then you're a lot less knowledgeable and smart than I previously gave you credit for, and when combined with your asshole personality, it's a lethal combo.
Mac on Hack: "With any player coming into the league, there's definitely a maturation process," Maccagnan told ESPN Radio, via the New York Daily News. "And it doesn't matter what position you play. I think quarterbacks are probably one of the harder positions to transition to the NFL. The reality of it is, though, is it's going to be determined by how he does." Another very interesting tidbit here... "Further, Fitzpatrick happens to be best friends with former NFL quarterback Jordan Palmer, brother of Bengals QB Carson Palmer and the San Diego-based QB-skills technician hired over the winter by one Christian Hackenberg. It can't get much better for the rookie than that". http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2016/05/penn_state_football_nfl_draft_2.html
i don't understand how people can think petty and hackenberg are even remotely comparable as projects i am really intrigued by hackenberg and it has nothing to do with his height or arm, but rather his football IQ and work ethic. i do not think people understand how easy it is to work on footwork and mechanics. his pro day footwork was better than it was during the season and it'll only get better. jameis winston had footwork issues at FSU and significantly improved even before his rookie season started. people underestimate how incredibly difficult it is to run a legitimate NFL offense and we constantly see athletes with amazing arms fail because they cannot decipher defensive schemes or master a playbook. it was truly impressive to see hack correctly call out blitzers and put penn state in the correct play to counteract the defense he was seeing. bryce petty has never done that, i mean damn the dude never even ran a huddle. his football IQ is significantly behind hack's
People are overblowing the "footwork" thing. Truth is that his footwork is actually quite strong from under center (very much the opposite of most college QB prospects) and is actually much harder to learn, but his shotgun footwork is lazy, but also much easier to fix.
And you can't see an incredibly inaccurate and unathletic immobile QB who was awful in college. None of the "talents" you listed make up for inaccuracy and lack of mobility. But you can excuse those because it's expedient to fit your narrative. He's not that talented. He's got potential. If he can be fixed. I saw him live twice and probably 15-20 games and what never jumped off the field at me screamed the word WOW. But the "tape" is now telling you otherwise. That's fine. Oooooh that old internet dig. Why not add "you know nothing about football" and "your opinion is worthless". Gotta say, you've mixed in a ton of head scratchers lately. Wow. That escalated quickly. Considering how you've been treating, lecturing, insulting and arrogantly dumping on other posters, especially when you've been often wrong, that's pretty ironic. I get it, you disagree with my opinion that what I see is a big strong big prototypical big inaccurate big immobile big QB who was awful in college. But is big. And you've reverted to the insult route because you think I've disparaged a guy I've said I'm rooting for, because you disagree with my opinion and the opinion held by MANY of us arm chair guessers because you're a pro personnel expert. _
Such an intellectual retort...../sarcasm But back to the subject at hand. We'll see how this training camp turns out, we have 2 2nd round QB's and 1 4th round QB on the roster. With odds of 23% or so on the 2nd rounder's and 15% or so on the 4th there's a fair chance one of the 3 will work out.
Fitz leading the pack is a good reason alone to get him back in. Extending the competition for the 3rd spot on the roster is another. I'll be happy if Fitz comes back.
Me too. He's the perfect fit for the current situation, and he knows it. He's still not worth his asking price. Hopefully he comes to his senses. I get the feeling next year will be painful with or without him, though.
I think if we're looking for an entertaining season we all better hope and pray Fitz comes back. Geno would be a disaster and be a bad signal to the vets and regardless of how any of us feel about the two pups, they need to sit. _
