If that's true, then Franklin should be fired immediately and never coach again. You don't utilize and offense based on longer developing plays when you don't have a stalwart/great OL. You particularly don't use that kind of offense when your OL blows chunks.
I think you're right in both instances, and that perspective just isn't based in reality. Things just aren't that straightforward and clear cut.
I see a big tall kid with a strong arm so the physical tools are there. He's a film rat and workaholic so that's good. Not taking any of that away from him. So you're saying that his problems were all circumstances and none of it were on him? Good to know...
You're right, but I think Franklin should be fired as well since the buck stops with him. He should know what his OC and QB coach are doing, and when he sees his QB changing from a stud to a dud, that ought to tell him something (not to mess around with his QB's footwork or change the system he was so successful in his freshman season).
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I said that much of the accuracy issues could be blamed on that. He still bears responsibility. He did the best he could, but he was a young freaking kid for cripes sake! He was trying to do what his HC and OC wanted, yet didn't feel comfortable and wasn't getting any help from his OL. Very, VERY few 19 or 20 year-olds are going to be able to thrive in a situation like that. Again, you're just not being realistic to expect him to excel in spite of all that. Some players can, but they are in the minority. Most of us are not like that. Thank you for pointing out some positives. What about his ability to read Ds and change plays at the LOS? That's perhaps the most amazing thing about him. How many 18 year olds do you know that could come in and master a complex NFL offense at 18? If he didn't have that and all he had was prototypical size and a cannon for an arm, I wouldn't think he's so talented. After all there have been a slew of QBs like that who never amounted to anything in the NFL. It's his football IQ, and insatiable desire to learn and get better that sets him apart. You'll never see him yukking it up on the sideline when the Jets are losing or eating a hot dog on the sideline. That's the point I'm trying to make. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. It would be a very boring place if we all agreed. I just think we need to set the hyperbole aside most of the time and be more objective. Also, you may have missed it, but I never wanted Hack before the draft. The thing is, I trust Mac and respect his knowledge and opinion more than mine. If he believes that strongly in Hack, then that tells me that I may have missed something (and probably did). So I've been working hard to understand why Mac likes his potential so much. I watched more footage, watched the Gruden QB camp, read everything I could find on him, and I now see a lot to like. That's not saying he doesn't have flaws or that he's a can't miss prospect, but considering Gailey's track record with QBs, I really like his chances.
Franklin is a recruiter. He's not an X's and O's guy. He inherited Hack. Franklin is a delegator when it comes to X's and O's. So while they may or may not have ruined Hack-- they were never planning on building their offense around him, they had/have their own style for better or worse. It was a bad fit for Hack all around. I wish he would've played under that Obrien offense his whole college career. But then again if he did he probably wouldnt have been a second round pick
Petty has size, arm talent, great college production, all the intangibles and according to you Petty is more athletic than Hack. He had no off the field issues. Yet, he was not drafted until the 4th round. Why is that? It can't be just because he ran the Spread in college. Many QBs before him and since ran that offense and were drafted early. You may not want to accept it, Hack is MORE TALENTED than Petty at least the NFL thinks so. Your potential argument is one of semantics. The more talented the player, the more potential a team sees.
If that is the case (and I have no reason to doubt you), then PSU should have never hired him. They should have hired someone who would run a similar system, and Franklin should have hired an OC who would run basically the same system. Recruiting is definitely important, but the HC has to be in charge and should be an Xs and Os guy imo. If you were named HC of a major college program, and had a QB with prototypical size who had the freshman year that Hack had, would you force a system change on him and the program? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd keep basically the same system for as long as Hack was there, but would gradually add in more and more of the elements of the system I wanted to use, and then make the transition full time after Hack had graduated or gone to the NFL. That's why I'm not a believer in coaches who have "systems" that they insist on forcing upon teams. The system should always be adapted to the talent on hand imo.
The people that thought good enough about what Petty brought to the table to make him a nice pick for us are the same people that grabbed Hack two rounds sooner. After having Petty for a year
I agree but that's the name of the game in college FB. Each hot shot coach does it their own way. They rarely change their system for their own players let alone guys they inherited. Franklin might flop at PSU but he might not because he recruits very well. But he will do it his way BC that's what they do.... He's there because they hired him for what he is....hes not there to make Hackenburg look better to NFL scouts
I get that, but if he doesn't have the ability to make better decisions in hiring his OC and to get the most out of his players, and the team doesn't win much, he won't be in Happy Valley for long.
I'm still trying to figure out why Hack was drafted at all much less the second round. His "talent" escapes me. His "potential" does not. Granted I'm just a fan and not a pro personnel guy but I honestly saw very little in his game that screamed out to me "NFL QB". Petty to me looks the part, has everything you'd want in a QB and but for the system likely would have been drafted much higher. But I swear I am rooting for Hack to succeed. Moves Geno out all the more quickly. _
He was the real deal his freshman year with all of the potential in the world, I remember watching him light it up and everyone was gushing over the true freshman....he literally received the David Carr treatment the last 2 seasons just on the college level. The more I go back and watch gametape/highlights and read more about him and the situation he was in, the more I feel like he could be the real deal for us Regardless, it's easy to see why we took a shot on him....If we can reset his mechanics somewhat and get him playing on the trajectory of when he was a freshman, he is a legitimate franchise QB. Obviously it's not that easy or a guarantee and that is why he slipped to the middle of the second round. I actually love this pick after digging deeper.....On the surface it's easy to say wow he wasn't even that good in college how is he going to do in the pros? But that's the easy and lazy way to look at it....and in my opinion wrong way Rooting for Petty Geno and Hack....may the best man win
The way I see it in terms of them both having NFL QB potential: Petty - NFL arm, good touch on throws, and good football IQ. Issues: Applying said IQ to Pro-style offense, mechanics?. Hackenberg - NFL arm, good football IQ, experience in Pro-style offense. Issues: Mechanics!, lacks touch on throws. That football IQ combined with their NFL-calibre arms make them both viable to me. The biggest frustrations for Jets fans with Geno seemed to be that he had the arm, but his football IQ and awareness was really lacking in a number of situations. Throws that would wow you, followed by a bad play that just had people stumped. Who steps up first probably depends on who fixes what first: Petty getting up to speed in a pro offense, or Hackenberg fixing his mechanics. I think it would be easier to see Hackenberg's upsides if more of the snap-by-snap analyses included more pre-snap information, or if All-22 tape were available. Seeing what Hackenberg does pre-snap and the adjustments he makes might improve your opinion of him. I'm only basing this off one video showing pre-snap breakdowns of one game, from a side view, so I can't say for sure whether he was doing good things there, but that might explain why the scouting dept were high on him.
What we have here is something the Jets haven't had in a long time. A real and true Quarterback competition. But it's going to take time, less so for Geno as he's had a few years now, but the NFL doesn't wait forever either. Hopefully one of the 3 progresses and we won't have to draft another QB in to the competition next year at some point in the draft.
Right. It feels good. It's becoming a healthy situation. I still hope Fitz comes back. That'll put more heat on the bottom competition. Back to Hack: Everyone's obviously seen the errant short throws, and the 'touch' label is on him. But, he exhibits touch on his long throws. And accuracy. He also understands positioning and angles for his receiver down field. This guy can throw the football. He's a football player. I am excited about this guy
