Quarterbacks the media falls in love with get overdrafted. Other good ones fall. It's unwise to reach on a player at any position.
Do all the research you want. It's still not going to resolve anything. If they want one of these QB's badly enough, then they made the right move. Whether it will work out for them is another story that none of us can know.
Eagles will either win NFC east for next 15 years or will pick in Top 10 for the next 5 years. I am on the fence but to be honest, I am glad Mac didn't make this trade.
I tend to agree with this premise. You can't limit your options in the draft based on the previous history of a league that changes so much. You used to be able to maul the receivers anywhere on the field as recently as what 10 years ago? 12? The people's elbow was legal in 1999 on a quarterback. The league is tailored around whether or not a quarterback is good enough to hide the deficiencies of the team everywhere else, especially once he is paid. The rest of the team and the rest of the league adjusts to everything the quarterback does. Defenses can prevail if they can sack the quarterback, whereas in years past a dominant run defense may set a defense over the top. This was a move for the long term success of the franchise for the Eagles. They see Weintz or Goff as potentially being their quarterback for 15 years. I'd be mad if they Jets foresaw that future for one of these guys and didn't move up to get them. I just don't personally see it.
I disagree with this both in principle and practice. There is always some degree of uncertainty pertaining to how good a player will end up becoming. On that much, we can all agree. The idea is to take calculated risks to manage that uncertainty. Also, I'm not really attempting to resolve anything, I only want to shed light on how often a top QB prospect fails to live up to the hype.
Not at all....maybe they do take a QB but, taking a big gamble if that is the case and expecting results in less than 2 years is nuts. Either QB will take time to develope. This is not Andrew Luck or Petyon Manning we're talking here. Look at the their fans reaction to this -it's inane, imo. Ok, going to #2 is obvious it's one of the QB's but they would have had to place a call to ST Louis to know who they would pick in order to leap frog to that position. Trading up with all that they gave up, they better hope the player they get pans out.
Whenever one makes a pick in the 1st round, one is taking a risk. It doesn't hurt as badly as it did prior to the rookie salary slots, but it still hurts when a 1st round pick busts, especially when they're in the top 10-15 picks. Trading up is even more risky, and it hurts all the more if they bust. With the NFL being a QB-driven league and with such a scarcity of quality QBs, it's not surprising that teams are desperate and more willing to take big gambles. If the QB just develops to the level of an Andy Dalton, he's probably worth it, as he will help keep the team competitive for 10-15 years. If he develops into a star or one of the top 5-10 QBs in the NFL, they've struck gold. Yes, Wentz, Goff and Lynch will all take some time to develop, but imo thinking that will take longer than 3 years is what is nuts. If it would take them longer than 2 years to develop, then they will never develop. This isn't rocket science. They either have the necessary physical and mental talent, or they don't. If they don't have solid fundamentals that affect their accuracy, throwing motion, footwork & dropping back from center, those things can be fixed in a relatively short time with focused work, then they need a bunch of repetitions so that the changes are "fixed" and become habitual. They can work on pre-snap reads until the cows come home, but I believe they either have the necessary football IQ, instincts and vision necessary to succeed at the NFL level, or they don't. Improvement can be made, but I don't believe that this can be developed in a player that doesn't have it. Similarly, poise under pressure can be developed to some extent, but if a player doesn't have the right mental makeup, he'll never develop that poise under pressure. I think there's a good chance that both Goff and Wentz will start in their rookie seasons at some point. Both may start from day one, or one or both may need a few months to learn their team's offense, adjust to the speed of the NFL and work on any fundamental issues, but unless they have a major fundamental flaw that will take time to correct, I see no reason why one of both couldn't play by mid-season or even earlier. I think it's better that they not be rushed onto the field, but we know that many teams will do this because of the lack of quality QBs in the NFL. The Jets did this with both Sanchez and Geno, and if any two QBs needed to sit for at least a year, if not two, it was both of those players. Lynch is much rawer, and will take more time. I think he will have to sit for the better part of two years, but if he's not ready to play by the end of the 2017 season, either he's had horrible coaching, is not a good fit for the offense of the team that chooses him, or he probably just doesn't have the talent to develop into a franchise QB or maybe even a decent starter. Further, I don't think any team in the NFL is going to be that patient with a QB any more. If a QB they take isn't ready to see the field and contribute within 2 years of being drafted, I think the team will make a decision to move on and will either trade for a QB, look to sign a FA, and then start looking for another QB in the draft.
In 99 the Eagles took McNab and the fans booed him on draft day. Phil had 10 great years with Andy R and DM. Lurie and Roseman did their HW before making this trade. As I have posted before thank god GMs don't listen to fans PS Its no secret our GM is still trying to move up and get Lynch, a very raw talent but together with Petty give the QB spot a bright future Sorry but imo risks like this are necessary to secure THE most important spot on roster in QB driven league If you keep waiting for the perfect QB it will never happen for you jmho
I think the Raiders are happy with 2nd round pick Derek Carr, as are the Seahawks with 3rd rounder Russell Wilson and the Bengals with 2nd rounder Andy Dalton. Teddy went #32. And all those teams are stacked because they didn't trade all their draft picks to get their guy. Good scouting beats desperate GMing. A lot of trade-up QBs fail because the team has no ammo to build around them. Not the Seahawks, Vikings, Bengals or Raiders, who are coincidentally 4 of the brightest young teams in the league:
It's a below average talent pool except at DL and maybe CB depending on where you project the top guy.
