Tony Pauline asking the same question I was asking above.. "Will the Jets continue to attempt to move up into the early reaches of round one? Sources tell me they believe so but much depends on who the Los Angeles Rams ultimately select with the first pick in two weeks time." If the Rams aren't taking the QB we were initially interested in, this move may have dropped the price on the QB we are interested in... probably pie in the sky, but we've had so much bad luck at QB, i'm chasing rainbows for some rare good fortune
My belief is that their goal is to build a winning team and not a winning season. A qb is a huge piece but still only one person. If you're building for longevity imo you want to get a majority of the pieces in place first. The Broncos and more recently the Texans and Rams are teams that built a solid foundation first and brought in a qb secondly. Even the Raiders took a stud player with their first pick in the draft that got them their starting qb. My one exception is if you're in a position to get a consensus game changer like Luck or Cam. The Browns are trying something that no other team has done before. In the world of analytics this is a huge opportunity and I don't see them falling into the same trap that the Browns have fallen into almost every year.
A lot of teams have analytics departments, maybe even half or most the league in fact, at this point. How much they listen to them is another question on an individual basis but what the Browns are doing isn't really revolutionary or anything. and I have to say- your points didn't really do much but offer your opinion on what the browns should do in a discussion on the Browns will do with analytics.. I can tell you that from what I know about football analytics, its been all about the Quarterback. Not only that even when you look at the QB position itself and drafting, analytics shows that outside of the 1st round your chances of getting a good QB drop off significantly. Especially when compared to other positions. --- I remember when Buffalo lost Kiko Alonzo for the season following his dynamic rookie year when he looked the part of an integral piece for that defense. They interviewed Aaron Schatz from the Football Outsiders one of the leading and respected analytics sites on their local radio. They asked the guy what he thought the loss of Kiko Alonzo meant through the eyes of analytics. He said point blank not much. He said clear as day that analytics shows the only position that individually has such a strong impact is QB. Losing a kiko alonzo is nothing like losing a peyton manning or even a matt ryan type. He said the others have players/production that can be at least reasonably replaced. He said they've charted about a 1/3 of a game difference. So basically they slated the Bills at something like around ~7.9 wins that year down to ~7.6 wins. his words not mine. just showing you how those analytics guys think. I bet cleveland is scrambling now because they dont have their pick of QB
What Cleveland is doing that is revolutionary is to what degree they'll be basing their picks on analytics. All teams have a dept but not teams give it too large of a sway. We're looking at this with 2 different premises. You think the most important position needs to filled first. I believe the most important position should be filled a bit further in in a rebuild. Besides Cam, what qb has been the first piece of a rebuild recently? Titans picked an ot in the top 5(?) the year before marriota. The Bucs were supposed to have had a solid Lovie D. The jags picked a top 3 OT the year before Botles. As mentioned earlier, the Raiders passed on their qb the first round. I can't think of a team in a while that's thrown in a qb to fend for his life as the first piece of a rebuild.
I very much agree with this. I'm not a fan of throwing a QB into on-field experience without a decent infrastructure around him, with a solid O-Line being the most important piece. You can take a QB early in the rebuild process, but you're better off letting him sit and watch somebody else get knocked around until he can be put in a situation to succeed.
"Not the year"...Then what year are you waiting for...??? That's the problem isn't it? I don't know what college QB players are out there behind this class. I have watched Goff Wentz and Lynch at their Pro days. None of them are anything like Sanchez IMO.
Well please keep in mind that throughout this whole thing I am not offering my opinion as to what the Browns should do. Rather what analytics folks would say. Personally if I was calling the shots over there I wouldn't take a QB this year with pick #2 but only because I don't think either of the top QBs are all that good. (especially if Goff is chosen 1st - he's the only one I would consider at #2). trade down? possibly. But I do disagree with you in the fact that they shouldn't take a QB as the focal point of the rebuild. I disagree with that concept strongly because its not often you pick that high in the draft and have the opportunity to draft a talented QB. And just because I take a QB there doesn't mean I have to play him right away. I think other positions can be filled throughout the draft - - QB not so much. In reality who the fuck knows what cleveland is doing or will do they are a bunch of morons. They had an analytics team already in place by the way back in 2014 and the analytics team TOLD them that Teddy Bridgewater was the best QB in that draft and yet when they traded down and still had a shot at him the owner stepped in and demanded they take Johnny 8ball. so even though they kinda got the analytics team there now supposedly calling the shots I'm still not going to be totally convinced their draft decisions are coming from them.
Haha. I think the Browns will be drafting in the top 10 a couple more times in the next couple years. They'll have more opportunities to get their qb. I'm basing my assumptions on what they did in Oakland. They didn't look for star players. They looked for quality players that could fill a role. I'm sure we'll find out after the draft what their plan A was. It'll be interesting to hear.
Maybe not like Sanchez , but they are def not the QB's that you trade up for. Rams made a mistake IMO. Eagles will too if they trade for the 2nd pick. In 3 years their GM's will pay for that mistake with their jobs in all likelihood. IMO next year DeShaun Watson is a guy to trade up for. If Mac wants to draft a QB with a high pick this year then thats on him to do. But to trade assets to move up to select a QB that from Day 1 will be looked at as the future, is not something I think should be the case with Goff or Wentz. Plus if they wanted that 1st pick they could've offered something as outrageous as the Rams did. All that tells me is as much as they may like Goff , they only like him to a certain extent.
