Democratic Nomination Thread

I'm gonna go with no.

 

Damn. I thought we were onto something.

 

You do not understand Bernie's tax plan. People taking home $300 a week are barely going to pay any additional taxes. People grossing $300 a week aren't going to pay any additional taxes. Almost all of the additional revenue come from increases at higher marginal levels, an additional 6.2% payroll tax on employers (alongside a $15 minimum wage which is a huge net gain for the people at the bottom of the ladder), a .2% social security tax increase across the board ( a fifth of a percent) and extending social security and medicare taxation to all marginal income below $250,000.

Nobody anywhere is going to lose anything like half of what they take home today. Lower income people will see net gains. Middle class people will see net gains when you take into account the free governmental spending on education, healthcare and some infrastructure that directly improves the economy, allowing state and local to tax less to do the same. Upper Middle class will see a net gain again due to the freebies. Above $250k, well that's where the pain is going to be felt for the most part. That group does not need any of the freebies and will not benefit directly from them and their deductions are going to be hard capped at something like 28% of taxable income. They'll also pay extra on social security and medicare between about 88K and 250K.

 

Because the cuts that we would have to make would hurt the people who vote democrat. If that happened those people might stop voting democrat. Can't have that

 

Go read his tax plan instead of just bloviating the right wing ant-tax meme.

I'll bet you didn't know Bernie was pro-gun before he ran did you?

He's pro-you also in his tax plan.

 

I'm not a Bernie fan but I also recognize its impossible to cut our way out of debt. In today's landscape with people lobbying for money under all corners its impossible to suggest we crawl out of debt without raising taxes somewhere. Theres going to have to be a little bit of both, cutting and raising taxes but no candidates are suggesting that. Bernie included.

I think it was you even who awhile back posted a story about Rand Paul being furious because Ted Cruz talked the talk with him in regards to eliminating debt but when it came time to walk the walk, and cut back on the defense spending, Cruz predictably bailed and voted for the increase. That's the world we're living in.

 

15$ minimum wage.. Ha! Another brilliant idea. The amount of people who are going to lose jobs and the amount of small businesses that are going to close is going to be astronomical. Everyone bitches about big business and big corporations running this country, well news flash people --> That is all that is going to be left. As a small business owner with 33 people working for me, do you know how much money in payroll I am going to have to lay out? Well over $200k. My check doesn't even bring in anywhere close to that. Might as well put the lock on the door and sell. Any small business that does stay in business is just going to higher illegally for half of what the minimum wage is.

Oh, let's not forget about the people who have been working at a company for 10 years and are making ~$15 an hour. Is there pay going to get rescaled? No. How do you think that'll go over? $8.25 to $15 is ~85% increase it pay. That guy making $15 is going to want $27, NO SHOT! $15 minimum wage is one of the dumbest ideas that has been brought up. EVERYTHING is going to go up in price, with less people working, and less businesses out there. This $15 minimum wage is made for Johnny McBurger Flipper and Sara Can I Takeurorder. Well guess what Sara, you are going to be out of a job because your job is now going to be done by touch screen. Europe already does this.

I also think it is ironic how everyone preaches, equality this, equality that, equal pay!! But when it comes to taxes and people being forced to spend, oh don't worry we can just take it from the top 1% while taking less from the less fortunate. Fair my ass.

 

Don't worry princess, the minimum wage raise will be made over several years so you'll have plenty of time to layoff the employees you won't be able to afford.

What savings will you have in relation to not having to provide medical? (Assuming you currently provide medical)

 

Ah, yes. Just lay off employees. Feeding right into what I said from the get go. Great!!!! A few bucks for some people, but more people without jobs. That's a a formula for success!

And I won't save anything by the medical coverage as I don't provide it nor am I forced to since I only have 33 people currently employed.

 

To an extent yes but I mean we start losing jobs, investments in our cities, etc. and people start to get pissed off. A $10 million cut to defense spending for example and you might put alot of people out of a job. For example, and just for example, that cut might effect the marine energy research program. Then you got professors at Blank State University without funding, you got small businesses making components for the project in that state without a revenue base, you put multiple people out of a job.

Now multiply that X a shitload more that would be needed to erase the debt. yikes. honestly- it would never get that far though.

People don't realize that NOBODY really wants cuts in spending really. Even if you want cuts, once it affects you, you will. Its the classic - okay but not in my neighborhood. Things like the billions of dollars we give to Israel in military support - easy for me and you to say "fuck that."

But did you know that tied in with that is requirements that they need to purchase from American contractors? Its basically a subsidy for american businesses. There's 2,000 employees in Illinois for example working for Northrup Grumman that tomorrow might lose their jobs if we pulled military funding to Israel. These guys working on the floor might not even realize that. They might even be saying "goddamnit all.. we need to stopz dis funding of israel" Until, of course, they get laid off and get pissed off and hold their representatives responsible for when the NG factory goes under.

its really complicated and cuts have just as much, if not more ramifications than taxes do.

 

So just so I have my facts straight you make your employees pay for their own healthcare and you want to pay them as little as possible... Are you hiring?? #bestBoSSever

 

You make it sound like I have them tied down by chain to their work stations. It's a simple solution really. Go find another job if it is that bad then. However, you do seem uneducated enough to be able to work for me so please come by and fill out an application.

 

Go find another job. That's good advice.

If you won't be able to pay your employees minimum wage as it increases over the course of several years, I suggest that you take your own advice.

 

But it would be a huge relief to even more families. Why are you/the famalies that you speak of more important than the families that are drowning under medical and school debt?

Kinda reminds me when you said this...

 

This may sound harsh, and I admit I can be a dick at times, but anyone who has been working at the same company for 10 years and is still making just $15 an hour isn't someone we should be tailoring public policy around. There's that saying that you're fucked when a tornado hits your trailer when in reality you were fucked long before that or you wouldn't be living in one? Kind of applies here.

And I'm not in favor of min wage increases.