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  1. Cman68

    Cman68 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    How about Lucifer? He's good for an argument or two isn't he? I could even throw in Muhammed if you want shock value given the present political climate.
     
  2. JStokes

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    http://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-allentown-catholic-secret-archive-20160312-story.html

    Catholic church's secret archives key to exposing sex abuse scandal

    Huddled in a law office on Hamilton Street, the district attorneys of the five counties in the Allentown Catholic Diocese spent days poring over files that detailed nearly two dozen allegations that priests had sexually abused children over several decades.

    That unprecedented step came in May 2002 after sex-abuse allegations exploded in the Boston Archdiocese, prompting Allentown Bishop Edward P. Cullen to grant the five prosecutors, including Lehigh County District Attorney Jim Martin and Northampton County District Attorney John Morganelli, a rare glimpse into the diocese's secret archives.

    In the wake of the Boston revelations, attorneys and prosecutors across the nation have used lawsuits and criminal investigations to open those secret files to the public. Now victim advocates in Pennsylvania, where the statutes of limitations are short, are calling for legislators to give them that power too, by removing the deadlines that have kept people from suing the Catholic Church.

    But some legal experts and the Pennsylvania Catholic Conference, which represents dioceses and bishops statewide, say it would open a Pandora's box of decades-old allegations that age, fading memories and death would render nearly impossible for the accused to defend against.

    epresents dioceses and bishops statewide, say it would open a Pandora's box of decades-old allegations that age, fading memories and death would render nearly impossible for the accused to defend against.
    Pennsylvania Catholic diocese covered up decades worth of child abuse, grand jury says
    It's a debate that figures to play out in the Pennsylvania Legislature in the coming months. Abuse survivors have scheduled a Monday rally at the Capitol to demand changes in the laws.

    "It's not as easy as it may sound. Obviously we need to protect children and the statutes of limitations for those crimes should be much longer," said Morganelli, who is running for state attorney general. "But statutes of limitations are there to protect against bringing cases so old that a person can't defend themselves. It's really a very complex issue."

    The Catholic Church's history of protecting child abusers re-emerged in the public's consciousness last month as the film "Spotlight," detailing the Boston Globe's investigation of the cover-up, received an Academy Award for best picture.

    And the release of a new grand jury report that accuses two bishops in the Altoona-Johnstown Diocese of concealing decades of abuse by as many as 50 priests now has victim advocates calling for those secret archives to be opened for all to see — or at least to victims trying to get justice.
    PA child sex abuse statute of limitations must change
    Attorney General Kathleen Kane's grand jury report echoes that call, urging lawmakers to lift the statutes of limitations on sex crimes against children.

    As long as the statutes are in place, lawyers have no key to unlock the diocesan archives.

    "You need either criminal prosecution or civil litigation to force those documents into the public, and without them, there's no leverage whatsoever," said Marci Hamilton, a Bucks County attorney and professor at the Cardozo Law School at Yeshiva University in New York who pushes for statutes of limitations reform.

    Under canon law — the rules that govern the church's operations — every Catholic diocese since the fourth century has been required to have a secret archive where documents detailing investigations into accusations of criminal behavior or "moral matters" are kept under lock and key.

    For the Allentown Diocese, that archive, which is still on paper, is at the chancery on West Tilghman Street, where Bishop John O. Barres keeps his office. Though canon law allows the archives to be destroyed after the "guilty parties" have died or 10 years after they've been sentenced, the Allentown Diocese's archives remain intact and stored in locked file cabinets, diocese spokesman Matt Kerr said.
    Lawmakers call for statewide child sex-abuse probes of Catholic dioceses
    "They're basically treated the way any company would treat its personnel files," he said.

    Only the bishop has the key to the secret archive and only the bishop can authorize opening of the archive, according to canon law.

    Cullen, now retired, made that move in 2002, when he ordered select contents of that archive taken from the chancery in South Whitehall Township, where they remain today, to the law offices of diocese counsel Thomas Traud for the district attorneys to review. No criminal cases came from that exercise because the district attorneys found no allegations within the statute of limitations, which was up when a person turned 23.

    Since then, the statute has been expanded, giving abuse victims until age 30 to file criminal charges and those born after Aug. 27, 2002, until the age of 50 to file. But even with that expansion, time had run out for victims in the Altoona-Johnstown files, Kane said. Those allegations mirror the real-life plot line of "Spotlight," which details the Boston Archdiocese's cover-up and how it was overlooked by police, prosecutors and the media. The Globe's revelations led to a worldwide push to force the Vatican to acknowledge the cases that for decades had been kept secret.
    Altoona priest abuse scandal renews calls for end to statutes of limitations
    The Catholic church has paid more than $3 billion in out-of-court settlements since 2002 to more than 5,600 victims alleging abuse by Catholic clergy, according toBishopAccountability.org, which tracks Catholic clergy abuse worldwide. Those victims are only about a third of the nearly 16,000 who have alleged abuse, and many cases are pending.

    "The reason we know most of what we do … is litigation that drove disclosure," said Anne Barrett Doyle, co-director of BishopAccountability.org.

    Under Pennsylvania law, victims of childhood sexual abuse also have only until age 30 to file civil lawsuits against those who molested them or institutions that concealed allegations against the accused.

    Hamilton said the median age of survivors of sexual abuse by clergy who come forward is 41. The state's statute of limitations bars claims by the many who waited to report their abuse because of the shame, self-doubt and fear of blame that often follows sexual-abuse survivors for the rest of their lives.
    Clergy abuse hotline overwhelmed with calls after AG report
    "I personally know survivors in [the Allentown Diocese], and if a window were to be opened, they might come forward, but the vast majority are shut out," Hamilton said.

    Kerr said 15 civil lawsuits have been filed against the Allentown Diocese since 2002, but all were dismissed by the court for being beyond the statute of limitations.

    The diocese also settled a case in which a former Allentown priest molested a 15-year-old Texas boy, though no civil action was filed in that matter, Kerr said.

    Many states have reformed their statutes, lifting limitations entirely for civil claims or opening a temporary window — of usually two or three years — to allow victims of past crimes to file suits. But the U.S. Supreme Court has blocked such provisions for the prosecution of past crimes after the limitations period has expired.

    Ten years after California removed its criminal statute of limitations to allow the prosecution of any child sex abuse no matter how old, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the law. In 2003, it sided with a man whose daughters accused him of raping them decades earlier, finding that the law violated the Constitution, which bars changes in punishment for past crimes.

    As a result, the 39 states that have eliminated criminal statutes of limitations for child sex abuse did so not retroactively but from the time the new laws were passed. That's a view shared by Martin, who said he would have no objection to an unlimited time period to prosecute sexual-abuse allegations.

    "It's an atrocious crime and it doesn't matter who commits it," he said.
    (Warning: Graphic Content) Full grand jury report on alleged child abuse in Altoona-Johnstown Diocese
    Legislators in Minnesota and seven other states found a compromise, opening temporary windows for civil lawsuits on child sex-abuse cases that had exceeded the statute of limitation. So, while victims still had no power to have their abusers jailed for crimes committed decades ago, they did have a new avenue to get their stories heard, and ultimately get the church to pay for helping cover up abuse.

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  3. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Those archive were photoshopped and planted by the Jesus-hating media.
     
  4. TommyJ

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    the catholic church is no different than walmart , coca cola, or any other corporation who simply writes checks when they get caught.
    never any consequences, just pay them off.
     
  5. Truth4U2

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    Mother Angelica was an inspiration and comfort to so many people; in particular, her "Mother Angelica Live" show on EWTN was one of my favorite shows on TV, and popular with Catholics and non-Catholics alike. If you haven't seen it yet, be sure to check out the reruns on EWTN, you will fall in love with this wonderful Saint! The Wit and Wisdom of Mother Angelica will charm and inspire you! She had a gift for explaining the Faith in a practical, down to earth way that anybody could relate to, and with humor; in fact, she was one of the funniest and most joyful people I've ever seen! She was like everyone's Grandmother - you could listen to her talk for hours; warm, comforting, and so funny!!! .... RIP Mother!
     
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    Rita Antoinette Rizzo (Mother Angelica)
     
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    What? You never saw Phyllis Diller?
     
  9. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Mother Angelica looks like she munched a few carpets in her time. I bet she has a full-on butch cut under that habit.
     
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    It is more blessed to give than to receive
     
  11. Truth4U2

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    Pope Francis' Apostolic Exhortation on The Joy of Love
    The lengthy document, entitled ‘Amoris Laetitia’, or The Joy of Love, affirms the Church’s teaching that stable families are the building blocks of a healthy society and a place where children learn to love, respect and interact with others.

    At the same time the text warns against idealizing the many challenges facing family life, urging Catholics to care for, rather than condemning, all those whose lives do not reflect the teaching of the Church.

    In particular the document focuses on the need for “personal and pastoral discernment’” for individuals, recognizing that “neither the Synod, nor this Exhortation could be expected to provide a new set of general rules, canonical in nature and applicable to all cases”.
    http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/201...stolic_exhortation_on_the_joy_of_love/1221178

    Here's the full text, so you can read it for yourself and not rely on the news media's picking small parts out of context, magnifying it and using it to try to claim the Pope is becoming more liberal, or changng church teaching. How the media pushes a relativistic, secular agenda...
    http://w2.vatican.va/content/france..._esortazione-ap_20160319_amoris-laetitia.html

    Sadly, in our ADD tabloid junkie society, few will bother to read the text of what the Pope is really teaching.
     
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    i think this pope is pretty cool. not a kid fucker, at least thats my impression. if he can get all the uppity white catholics and christians and new borners and the rest of the fucking crazies to stop hating everyone and bamboozling each other it would be impressive.

    and now i am stuck in the abyss of this thread.
     
  13. Ralebird

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    yawn
     
  14. Truth4U2

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    WISDOM ..... True Enlightenment, still around today but "drowned out" by the clueless secular media, sadly...

    This classic series was loved by Catholics and non-Catholics alike in the 50's, broadcast in prime time on ABC. (followed by a similar series in the 60's). His scholarship was second to none; well-educated in many fields, including science, and he explained Church teaching in a way that made sense to the average American. The core teachings of the Catholic Church still make sense in our everyday lives today, as relevant as ever, but sadly modern generations don't have the benefit of a mainstream, "water cooler" show like this anymore. Fr. Corapi was also excellent, but emerging in the 90's he was forced to remain on religious networks. He still became very popular due to his amazing life story and excellent teaching of the Faith; unfortunately, the scandal of his early life led to his demise at the hands of church leaders (and I believe the devil working behind the scenes because his teaching and influence was too good)

    Anyway, once you get past his corny "Count Dracula"-like getup, dated politics (the "Red Scare" going on in America at the time) and his cheesy, somewhat dated scientific analogies, you will see the wisdom in his teachings. I stumbled on this episode on EWTN today, and was amazed with his wisdom and insight on the topic of love.

    ENJOY! (he's funny too btw ... really!)

     
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    If there was a god who created everything, that means he created Muslims. What a fuck!
     
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    Muslims are our brothers, actually, just like Jews are our brothers. (all human beings are actually). Jesus came for everyone. I was just watching something on EWTN where a Catholic monk (Fr. Apostoli) was explaining how Muslims honor Mary, believe in her immaculate conception, and even the Virgin birth....the only difference being they view Jesus as a prophet and not the Son of God. Many people don't realize this. Also, the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful; the terrorists sadly have hijacked the religion for their own political means; an attempted "power grab" .... they pick and choose things out of the Qu'ran, taken out of context, to justify their actions. Some people have done the same thing with the Bible. It's important to learn what a Religion really teaches and not what some people in the media mistakenly tell you. With the Catholic Church, it's easy - just read the Catechism. It's the complete, authoritative summary of what all Catholics worldwide believe (or are supposed to believe as Catholics). What the Church teaches, consistent for the entire 2000+ years of the Church's existence since Jesus Christ Himself established it.
     
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    The practical wisdom of the Catholic Church...a short excerpt from a new program that might be the best explanation of Church teaching, as it relates to our modern culture, that I've ever seen!!! I saw this on EWTN, but unfortunately the entire program is not on you tube yet. It's part of a new video series on the Church. So many misperceptions about the Church out there that it is really sad, but this program goes a long way toward beginning to change that.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    One of Jesus' retard internet apostles once taught me that the media was biased and can't be trusted.
     
  20. TommyJ

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    let's have all of our thinking already done for us, its much easier that way
     
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