I believe it was acl/lcl and there's little if any force put on those ligaments during a squat or other closed kinetic chain exercise
Effects of technique variations on knee biomechanics during the squat and leg press http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11528346/ "no ACL forces were produced for any exercise variation" of the squat or leg press, and that "the lack of ACL forces implies that all exercises [squats and leg presses] may be effective during ACL rehabilitation".
Dude, guys with shredded ACLs are squatting 400 lbs and leg pressing 600 lbs? Less than THREE months after reconstructive surgery? Fully healthy lifter, yeah, I get it. But less than three months after reconstructive surgery? That's not impressive? _
No. See my last post. Squat or leg press is very poor indication of his rehabilitation status because those exercises can actually be performed without those ligaments at all.
I can't believe a mumbo jumbo article because I know guys who have had reconstructive ACL surgery and none of them were strength lifting less than 90 days later. You may think those numbers are not impressive and for a weight lifter or a completely healthy and strong football players you may be right. For a guy coming off of reconstructive ACL surgery, that is incredible. If you article is right, a dude 1 week after reconstructive ACL surgery will be back to his squat and leg press weight because the ACL doesn't matter. Sorry can't buy it. Won't buy it. _
Let's just hope this guy can make a speedy recovery, man. Doubly so if he can do it and be good for us in the future.
Serious question. How much do you squat? How much do you leg press? You shred your ACL tomorrow, have reconstructive surgery next week. Say April 15. Are you squatting 400 pounds and leg pressing 600 pounds in July? You do not NEED those ligaments to do those exercises. But are you back to full strength in less than 90 days? _
I just posted a legit research paper to back me up and your saying its mumbo jumbo? Lol. People can't do that a week after surgery because the trauma and inflammation to the entire knee from the surgery will give them pain and ROM problems. besides smith is months removed at this point. There are lifters who still squat heavy after having had their ACL's completely removed. The acl prevents the tibia from gliding forward. In the parallel squat position tension from the hamstrings will hold the tibia in place even without an ACL.
My girlfriend leg pressed 600 lbs x 5 for 3 sets and she weighs 125. that was before she started powerlifting.
Lifters sure. Football players? It's impressive. Beside, we don't know what his numbers were before. It's like trying to compare him to James Harrison, a dude 5 inches shorter, 35 pounds heavier, a mature man and one of the strongest players in the league. Comparing them is irrelevant. If Smith, pre-injury could only squat 400 and leg press 600 I'd be impressed. If he could squat 700 and press 1200 I'd be unimpressed. Some football players are not as strong as other football players. It's all relative. You, as a lifter, may not be impressed by those numbers. A chess player or Brook would be MASSIVELY impressed with those numbers. But you can't deny they are somewhat formidable numbers for someone less than 90 days removed from reconstructive surgery. Regardless of how much those ligaments are irrelevant to lifting. _
Those exercises are rehab exercises for that injury because they allow strengthening to surrounding tissue and they DONT stress the injured ligaments. It's like being impressed at his recovery because his bench press is back up to warmup weight level.
http://www.criticalbench.com/sportstraining.htm Just googled squat numbers for D1 linebackers. Not scientific but likely directionally close. 390 is "average", 415 is "very good". So Smith, less than 90 days removed from reconstructive surgery is between average and very good. You're talking about weight lifters. I'm comparing him to football players. _
If you want to draft a guy coming off an injury because he can perform an exercise (that in no way indicates his recovery from said injury) at satisfactory/good level compared to his college peers (of which less than 2% make it to the NFL) then who am I to stop you. Myself, I'd rather see some movements that actually stress the injured tissue before arguing first round status.
I am not drafting Jaylon Smith or ANY LB based off of squats or leg presses. What gave you that impression? I'm just trying to figure as a layman whether his nerve damage was all it was originally made out to be or whether his nerves have started to regenerate. Nerve damage can effect strength. If he's squatting and leg pressing at or near the levels he was before he shredded his ACL less than 90 days ago, I'm impressed. If he's squatting and leg pressing at decent levels for his peers then I'm impressed. If he's not squatting at levels of strength weight lifters or the strongest man in the NFL or players much bigger, stronger, physically mature then him then I am neither impressed nor not impressed. _
