Penn State QB Christian Hackenberg scheduled to visit Jets

not really. After both years, but especially after his freshman year he could've went anywhere. He could've transferred after his freshman year, skipping out on James Franklin completely, and went to a place like Alabama. Sat out a year and then won the national championship with that offensive line, Derrick Henry, etc. Now he'd have just his impressive freshman year and a national title on his resume instead of sticking with Penn State. He'd be a certain 1st rounder, possibly the no. 1 overall pick.

even if he didnt go to Bama, he could've transferred to a place with a wide open passing offense, and a conference that played no D. Imagine him sitting out a year and playing for an Oklahoma State, or a West Virginia or something and putting up video game numbers. He'd be a 1st round pick easily.

sticking around Penn State screwed him big time in the draft so he deserves some credit for staying loyal. He was also loyal in that he committed prior to the NCAA nabbed them for Jerry Sandusky. He easily could've seen that it would be tough place to play with missing scholarships and postseason sanctions. He stuck with them. Most guys would not have.

So that speaks to his comments about Franklin. This isn't just some kid with a coaching vendetta. He was loyal to his school and he got burned for it. He has every right to let that be known

 

Neither is a first rounder or has shown enough to prevent the Jets from getting another QB.

 

To make sure I understand you correctly, are you saying that Hack is less of a prospect than Mettenberger because he had far more responsibility than Mettenberger and did less with it, or are you saying that having had more responsibility makes him a better prospect?

 

I hear what you're saying and agree to some extent. It was a tough call for him. Transfer and have to sit out a year, or try to make it work and gut through it. I still think it's best that he not complain about Franklin, however. Most of the great QB take responsibility even when it's their teammates or the CS that screws up. The scouts ought to be intelligent enough to appreciate that he's taking the high road and understand how O'Brien's leaving and Franklin arriving hurt him. As for Manziel lying and being rewarded, we are talking about the Browns' Scouting Dept. and GM, right, so that has to be taken into consideration.

 

Perhaps. Is it better to have to sit out a year, but then be able to play for a quality team, in a quality offense, under a quality OC and play at a very high level for a year, or stay, struggle, then enter the draft looking like a mediocre prospect? Tough call. If he had transferred, it would have been like he stayed through his senior year, so not the end of the world. I don't know if he had the grades, but I feel pretty certain if he had transferred to Duke and been able to learn from David Cutcliffe, he'd be a much better and better-prepared QB even if he never played a down for Duke. If he has the talent many say he has, he probably would have won the starting job because Thomas Sirk was nothing to write home about. He probably wouldn't have been able to transfer to Michigan, but if he could, then Jim Harbaugh would have been another guy that could have helped him a lot.

If I had been Hack, I would have transferred.

 

OK, thanks. That's what I thought you were saying, just wanted to make sure. It will be interesting to see what happens with Hack.

 

So this is a preview of a QB who will struggle against top NFL defenses, just because he was intellectually up to the challenge of reading them and making calls, he still failed to get the upper hand against the temple defense and make plays.

Making plays against top defenses is what you want your QB to do, not just figure out what they are trying to do to you.

Many QBs in the NFL know what the defense is trying to do to them, the top QBs figure it out and make plays against them.

 

In fairness to Hack, that was the worst fucking performance by an oline I have ever seen and it stayed the same all season

 

I know he did a decent job when he had Allen Robinson as his top WR, however there is a lot of effort being made to make him sound like a good prospect, the bad can't be neglected and pushed aside just to make a case for him.

Let's just say this game the Oline was bad, what about the rest of the season? Did they improve? Was he still throwing the ball into the ground and over the heads of his receivers?

These issues don't go away, Geno still throws the ball into the ground and over the heads of his receivers, it can't magically disappear.

I'm happy with having Petty, I hope the jets focus on developing him and not wasting a pick on another prospect at QB.

Wait to see what you have with Petty before selecting another QB this year.

 

His oline got worse as the season progressed, after BOB left he regressed partly because Franklin and the O coordinator did nothing for him

 

I understand where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree.

I think the Jets should already have a pretty good idea in what they have with Petty. If they have any doubts at all about his becoming their QB of the future and there's one they really like in this draft, they should take him if they get the opportunity imo. I disagree that they should wait to see what they have with Petty. Let's say they really like Carson Wentz and believe he is just as good or perhaps a better prospect than Petty. If that's true, why should they wait? If Petty doesn't pan out then, they've lost the opportunity to get Wentz and they still won't have a QB of the future. Conversely, if they take Wentz and both pan out, the Jets are in the catbird seat. They have their QB of the future, have both for a few years, and then can trade one for a high #1 draft pick or for multiple picks.

I can see where they might not like any QB in this draft. If that's the case, then they certainly shouldn't take one. But again, even if Petty pans out, they will need a developmental QB and eventual backup to Petty. If there's a QB in the 4th round or lower that they like his potential, and are ready to move on from Geno, then by all means they should take that QB and release Geno if Fitz then re-signs.

 

NC, do you honestly believe they know what they have with Petty? He has not even seen the field in a legitimate role.

It takes one year of real time football just to slow the game down for these guys. They then need to be given weapons, we know what developing a QB without weapons will do to a young inexperienced QB.

If the jets want to select another developmental QB in the 4th round, it's ok, but at some point the Jets have to put the young QB under center and start developing him.

Training camp and holding a clipboard is only going to take them so far.

 

Do they have a definitive answer regarding Petty? No, but I think they have a pretty good idea, enough at least for them to either think that he has an excellent chance to develop or not a very good chance. From working on film study with Gailey or the QB Coach, they should have a pretty good idea if he knows the offense, and what his ability to read Ds is. They don't know how he will respond under pressure and if he can go through his progressions while under fire, but I think they'll know enough to know if they better take another QB fairly high if they like one, or if they can wait until a lower round or next year to take another QB.

I also basically agree that holding a clipboard is only going to take a QB so far, but I don't think the Jets can afford to put all their eggs in the basket of a 4th round pick. IMO they need to hedge their bet if there's a QB in this draft that they like.

 

That's fair guy, I'm also concerned about the constant effort of trying to catch lightning in a bottle by drafting developmental QBs in the 4th round, it's going to constantly be a long shot trying to make it work.

If the jets select a QB with the 20th pick, I'm probably going to pass out, but when I recover I'm going to hope that they start getting him ready to play much sooner than 3 years from the day he is picked.

I just don't see these QBs as top tier QBs.

 

Thanks. I agree. The odds are against 4th round developmental QBs panning out. You probably won't be alone passing out if the Jets take a QB with the 20th pick. If they do, I'm sure they won't wait 3 years to start him.

I honestly can't say whether any of these QBs can be top tier QBs. I think Wentz has a pretty good chance, Goff, Lynch and the rest are all crapshoots.

 

Just posting a video relevant to the thread bruh, I have no opinions on Hack. I've never seen an actual game of his. The only thing I knew about him was that most of TGG thought he stunk. Just recently started to google some videos of his once I heard he came in for a visit.

 

Hackenberg's pro day was ridiculous; the dude looks good in shorts. Also his knowledge of the X & Os is impressive.