We will just have to agree to disagree. Staying put limits the risk that you attach to the pick but having the flexibility and open mind to move up or down improves your chances to get value picks at positions of need IMHO.
We'll definitely have to agree to disagree. IMO there is NO value when one trades up, one is always overpaying for that player. The only value is in staying put and a player falls to you or trading down and still getting the player one wanted. Trading up is how the Jets wound up with a roster full of holes, little or no depth, and crappy STs. Every Jets fan should understand that after Tanny. Sad that you didn't learn that lesson.
no need to trade up, we will get our QB in the 2nd. Jets sent 3 scouts and the QB coach to watch Connor Cook. Gonna look good in green yall.
Yes, although some people would debate you on how well that worked out for them. There are several factors that differentiate the Giants doing that and the Jets doing that. One is that prior to that draft, the Giants didn't waste a bunch of draft picks trading up for other players. In fact, as a general rule, the Giants don't trade up very often. They also had better scouting, a better GM, and better coaching and player development. I doubt seriously if the Giants have ever had a 3-player draft. They didn't waste draft picks drafting their QBs friend, or take a player based on their HC's son's opinion. Thus, the Giants paid their price to get Manning, and they had talent to go around him. The Jets traded up almost every year. The Jets also wasted a lot of their draft picks due to poor scouting, Tanny not being a personnel guy and not having a clue how to build a roster, and having a boob for a HC who got to make draft picks. Tanny left the cupboard bare, and Idzik left it even more bare. That has to be taken into consideration. The draft doesn't happen in a vacuum. One has to look at one's overall roster. The Jets need a new starting LT, RT, and RG, and better depth across the OL. They need a new QB. They need a couple of TEs. They need another WR. They need a PR, KOR and P. They need at least 2 OLBS and 2 ILBs. They may need another CB. I'm sorry, but imo, this issue is not even a matter of opinion, but fact, that it would be totally stupid of the Jets to trade up for any player in this draft. They simply cannot afford it. They aren't one player away. They need many players. 6 of their 7-8 best players are their oldest and will all need to be replaced within 2 years. I can't believe that someone as knowledgeable and experienced as you would even begin to think that trading up was acceptable in this draft. Mac could trade down 2-3 times a draft for the next 5 years, and he still wouldn't be able to make up for all the wasted draft picks of Tanny and Idzik. Falling in love with a player and trading up for him in this draft would be a fireable offense imo.
I like Goff I think he has good football instincts, an accurate arm and a will to win. He needs time to develop himself in a pro system and would benefit by sitting for a year or two. Would I sell the farm for him? No fucking way! If he fell to 20.. I'd definitely consider drafting him.
Been taking a look at Goff's tape on Draft Breakdown, and I've seen less than ten plays in which he executes a play-action. (Certainly, play action was something that the Jets ran more with Heimerdinger and Schottenheimer than with Gailey last year, but having a good ball fake is always a good thing.) Just an observation.
If they had ammunition to trade up, and were confident that Goff was their guy, than I have no problem trading up. However, in this case, I dont think they have the ammunition to fire up. But if you think Goff is the guy and you have the ability to trade up for him, you do it.
I agree with this concept 100%. If there is a QB you think will be THE guy, you move heaven and earth for him. Tenn was never trading out of that spot last year for Mariota but last year was the year to do it--a sure thing QB and the 6th pick moving to 2--it's a tough trade up but not like moving from 20 to 2 or 20 to 6. I just don't think Goff is anywhere near the prospect that Mariota was so I'm not spending what it would take to make that move. That's ME, not Mac. If Mac loves the guy and thinks he's going to be a perennial pro bowler, then trade away. _
Yeah, we're not in a good position to trade up. And it's iffy if whether Goff or Wentz are the kind of guy you trade to the top for. It's probably not likely, but it'll be interested as all hell if one of those guys ever fell to us
I think Goff is the clear cut number 1 QB prospect and has no business falling out of the top 3. We can't afford to get up there. The only way it starts to get interesting is if the NFL starts to Teddy "Skinny Frame" Bridgewater him and he falls past 10. If he's there at 11 or 12, which I think would be absurd, I'd package Mo and #20 to go get him, killing 2 birds with one stone. The 2 hot spots for this scenario are 11 (Chicago) and 14 (Raiders), both of whom can afford to pay Mo, are looking for top defensive line talent and may not necessarily be looking at QB.
The Dawg Pound did a good piece on QB hand size very recently: http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/3/4/11161580/quarterback-hand-size-a-statistical-cautionary-tale The TL;DR is that there's no discernible correlation between hand size and arm strength, accuracy, or ball security. (However, it is worth noting that they didn't analyze for play fakes success rate, which isn't as accurate as it involves more than two variables.)
It's definitely not ideal but I think he has enough good traits to overcome it. In the last 3 drafts you'd be hard pressed to find a QB with better anticipation, pocket awareness and footwork than Goff.
It's like you read my mind (or my posts). Except I would be good with Goff or Wentz (prefer Wentz) and I think the Jets should be able to get something else in return like switching picks in the second and/or third. (I had also mentioned the niners cuz dems people be unpredictable and the Giants before fa started) Needless to say, you are an extremely intelligent and creative person who understands the game and what needs to be done to win it.
I think Goff is going to drop while Lynch is going to move up due to bigger arm/higher ceiling. Will see this start to unfold once we get closer to the draft.
Considering Goff is about the same type of prospect as Teddy, I don't get what you see in Goff either if you don't like Teddy. There are barely any differences in terms of play.
