And Pats fans have the nerve to whine about Deflategate. I would love nothing more than to see Kraft get busted for cheating the cap.
ummm, I'd like to point out that I was against spending that kind of money on a CB, especially one on the wrong side of 30...but I accepted it as what it was....
Likewise. Wasn't really upset over the contract but wasn't really happy with it either. Although my dislike for the signing came more from what Revis accomplished with NE more than anything else. But looking at how free agents are getting paid this offseason, it's makes me think if Revis was available now he could get 100 mil. It's been that absurd.
i agree mostly with this... although id note that him signing 30+ year olds(marshall, harris, forte) doesnt help the situation. nor does investing so top heavily in 2 positions(CB, DL). i mean granted we needed CB help but skrine at 7M seems like overkill. although i guess leonard williams makes sense if you expected to lose harrison or wilkerson, so less so that move
There was no choice on the Leonard Williams move. He was by far the BPA on the 6 pick. Taking somebody like Kevin White or Vic Beasley or Eric Flowers, all need positions for the Jets, would have been Same Old Jets and we'd be regretting the pick already.
im fine with the williams pick...especially since i dont see wilk/harrison back. although id hardly say it was the only choice. id have been very happy to draft flowers. if he was here we could cut brick and wilkerson stays aboard for sure, maybe harrison too. we also could have traded down. there were multiple options. id hardly call using a top 10 pick for a tackle of the future a "same old jets move".
Flowers was over-drafted. He was a 15-25 quality prospect who got taken on the 9. Lots of people thought he was a guard in the NFL and that he would be a liability in pass protection at LT. Leonard Williams was the best DL in the draft and many people thought he was #1/#2 in overall talent as well. The Jets could not pass on him there. It would have been like passing up Warren Sapp for Kyle Brady.
You wouldn't have traded for Marshall? IMO that was his greatest move along with trading for Fitz. I wasn't for re-signing Harris initially, but was wrong. He's still one of our best players on D, even with his limitations in coverage and speed. If Forte has anything left at all, this looks to be a great signing too. I think the truth is that until Mac can draft some young players and sign them long term, we're gonna see a lot of short signings of cheaper 30 year olds mixed in with some mid-range signings of some mid-20s players. We're gonna have to because of the failings of Idzik and Tanny. I think Skrine was a good signing too. He was an effort to stop the bleeding over the middle in the pass crazy NFL. I would be upset if another DL was taken, but I think Williams made perfect sense. I wasn't as excited as if it had been a LT, OLB, QB, or WR, but having the top-rated player in the draft fall to you is always a plus unless there are some real concerns over character or injuries.
I didn't like Flowers very much at all as a LT, and would have been upset if the Jets had taken him. Trading down can be great, but takes a partner. At almost $10 million per, there's no way Snacks was staying imo.
im not against the marshall trade, or the revis signing or any 1 move in particular. it was overall offseason of adding several 30+ year olds/trading for 30+ year olds/extending 30+ year olds while not adding any of their future replacments. i like skine, but i thought it was overkill. i felt we shouldhave given skrine/harris money to a ILB who could cover and is more of a long term solution. the problem isnt marshall, or revis, or fergeson, or forte. the problem is the sum of all of those older players. we have alot of money tied into those guys, and few/any replacments in place of course, as you mentioned, how mac drafts will really determine our fate. so far i have faith. but its a long road with a bunch of tough decisions ahead still. As of now, we only walked away from snacks. but soon it might be fitz, wilkerson, fergeson, etc..
I don't recall a FA ILB last season who excelled in coverage, but if there was, then I would have to think that Mac sees the slot corner as more valuable/important. I hear your concerns and they're valid. I don't think we have anything to start worrying about, however, unless Mac starts trading up ala Tanny, whiffing on picks ala Idzik, or starts trading early picks for older vets ala what Dan Snyder used to do with the Redskins. Don't forget that he's only been on the job for a year and only had 6 draft picks last year (but of course, he traded one of those away). In terms of replacements, I think that Williams will replace either Wilkerson or Richardson if he doesn't clean his act up. I think that Mauldin was Pace's replacement. Simon is probably going to be Snacks' replacement. Devin Smith can hopefully eventually be Decker's replacement. That's pretty good with one draft. Mac's not gonna draft for need in the early rounds, so I think we're all gonna have to get used to having some 30 year olds around. Just because he has an older player at a position it doesn't appear that he's going to jump through hoops in the draft or reach to try to replace that player first. He's going to let the draft come to him and take BPA whenever and wherever he can. He'll use FA to shore up positions, address needs. I think it's going to take 3-4 years to get the young prospect pipe line really solidly in place. Each year we'll add more good young, productive players. Even as that happens I think Mac will still look to improve the team through FA, because he's said that he likes a mix of veterans and youth. I think he has a plan in place. He surely knows how much Brick's play has slipped and how bad Giacomini and Winters are. Maybe Harrison replaces Winters. Maybe the media is right and Qvale will be a revelation and beat out Giacomini. Maybe an OL signing is imminent. I think we're just going to have to sit back, relax, be patient and try to enjoy the ride. That's hard for Jets fans, I know. It's not something we're used to doing. Before we always knew that more than likely the offseason and draft were going to be disappointments and that there would be screw ups and huge holes. We're going to have to learn to trust and be patient. Who knows, it might even be good for us!! LOL
Yeah i mean im with you on all of that... and my posts stemmed from saying these moves might not make us the contender some think and not MAC is doing a bad job. im not getting on mac other then to say i hope he has a good plan for Mo and LT. and his drafts will obviously be important im not anti-mac at all. im kind of pro-mac but realize you cant grade him yet. many here want to name the GM of the year award after him. some of those same people will be cursing him if/when wilkerson goes
I know you're not anti-mac. I think your approach is totally valid and reasonable and I agree with you on a lot of what you have said. I think you said in an earlier post that you like what Mac has done so far. Me too. We may not like every move he makes, but the end result is what matters. If we stay competitive, continue to get both better and younger, are a playoff team by 2017 and perhaps a serious contender by 2018 or 2019, I think the sane Jets fans (all 5 of us just kidding) will understand and be happy. Those that jump off the bandwagon will climb back on once the team starts winning. I'm sure there will be a lot of weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth and cursing Mac over the next 2-3 years because he isn't doing things in the way posters think he should or as fast as they think he should be able to. We both know that we fans aren't always realistic with our expectations and overestimate our knowledge, and some of us are more than a little wacky. It will be what it will be. I'm not going to worry about how fans react as long as the results are there.
I believe he said he did that specifically with the patriots in mind and how much Brady likes his slot receivers.
Skrine seems like a prime candidate to restructure his contract into signing bonus. It guarantees more of his money down the line, but spreads it out. You want to do this with younger players that you anticipate will be on the roster, like we should anticipate with Skrine. It'd be a much better move to do it with him than with Revis, Harris, etc. because those are players we want the ability to cut if their age starts to become an issue as it certainly seemed to show with Revis' diminished man to man skills. And I'll say it again. That contract is absolutely killing us this offseason. Not only is it hurting us in the Wilkerson situation, but in upgrading the roster as a whole. Without getting that elite play out of him, it can't mask the lack of pass rush, and we can't go out and get one (although I wouldn't have wanted Vernon at his price tag, or Malik Jackson as he's a similar 3-4 end to Wilk).
It's not hurting us with Mo bc we're giving him his 15m. Seeing the prices that the fa have gotten, who did you want that we couldn't get bc of the contract with the lets say $10m savings by getting a cheaper cb?
Why $10m savings? He's due $17 million this year. We could've been in the running for just about anyone or at the very least locked up Mo long term and/or resigned Fitz prior to the Vernon/Jackson contracts.
On Skrine, I disagree that the signing last year was not a good move. Imo the slot cb is probably your most important bench player, if it's even appropriate to consider it a bench and not starter position.
