Unless trading Wilkerson gets the Jets an elite pass rushing OLB or a top notch QB, it's not going to magically transform them into a championship contender. I simply don't see that happening at this time. Harrison is likely gone if Wilkerson stays, but IMO it's worth a slight downgrade in stopping the run in order to keep this team mostly together on offense and keeping our best player and sack leader on defense. What I saw in the Bills game, was our elite Dline getting no pressure on the QB and our oline getting dominated. The team won't contend until that is fixed. I don't mind sacrificing some Dline talent to get LB talent, but it's easier said than done. They can explore trading Richardson or even Williams, but replacing Wilkerson will be very difficult and they will definitely lose production. With Harrison leaving, it will be a step back, but not big enough to drastically affect the team on defense.
This argument can be made both ways, we won't take a significant step backwards letting MO go through trade either. It would actually make us younger, have more cap room, and our DL still has plenty of talent to go around to be a devastating unit. Keeping MO, only hinders our future, we will just be in this very position with Richardson in a couple years, only, he has a higher ceiling and is younger. There is baggage and concern with him but I think paying MO the money he is demanding would be a mistake.
If Mehta just wasn't making shit up, it's not just the Jets, either, but most NFL execs think the same way. A number of our fans obviously overvalue Mo, but I can understand why. He's a solid citizen, hard worker, high character and good player. He's been our most consistently good player over the last 2-3 years. Richardson has more upside and is more athletic. He's every bit as versatile as Mo, and even moreso, because there's no way Mo would have been able to play OLB last season. The issue with Richardson is not talent, but his character/dedication to football. I think Williams has a higher ceiling than Mo, and in a year or two could prove to be better as well.
I disagree. To begin with, I don't think anyone is saying that trading Mo will "magically transform them into a championship contender." I do think that if things fall the right way, they could wind up being a better team overall. Trading Mo would give them $15.7 million in cap space with which to sign FAs (our own or outsiders) that can fill some of our needs and holes. With another draft pick or picks, there are additional ways in which the team could be improved. Yes, it's easier said than done to get that LB talent. There's no doubting that our OL needs to be upgraded. Trading Mo could enable Mac to fix our OL in FA, and that alone could make our team better because drives could be sustained, keeping other teams' offenses off the field and give us more points. Then the other team is forced to throw more and the Jets defenders can pin their ears back and go after the QB and not have to worry about the run. There's also no doubting that our DL alone can't get the job done pressuring opposing QBs. We have to at least try to upgrade our LBs to improve our pass rush.
That's the story on a lot of NFL players that have high potential along with character concerns. Dedication and character issues can stop a player from being great. Imagine a player like Cris Carter never getting in trouble when he was with the Eagles, or Josh Gordon, Albert Haynesworth? Potential can get you in trouble and can set a franchise back big time. There's no defined market for Mo right now because of the deep d-line draft, new contract and the Jets demands. It's a no brainer to sacrifice some potential for a sure thing. But I don't want Mo under that tag, we need to get that taken care of. I hope we do.
With Richardson's track record, there's a decent chance he'll have zero value in a few years. Are you willing to take that chance?
Yes it is (the story on a lot of NFL players with tons of potential but also character concerns. With Mo under that tag, we're screwed. We won't be able to resign any, but our cheapest FAs, and can kiss Snacks and Fitz goodbye for certain. In addition there will be no improving the team through FA. Mo has to go if he won't sign an extension.
Thank God, it's not my decision to make! LOL At this point, however, it appears to be our only viable option. Mo is screwing us. If he won't sign and we can't trade him, he and he alone is killing this season. If so, fuck him. I wouldn't have a player who overvalues himself and holds the team hostage. I'd rather take my chances with a player with character concerns. I've always liked Mo. I wanted the Jets to draft him. I've rooted for him, but if refuses to sign a reasonable deal, then he can go to hell.
I was in favor of a tag and trade because I thought we could get decent value. I think other teams believe they have leverage because Mo's franchise tag restricts us from being active in free agency and they will simply wait us out and try and get him for peanuts. The truth is though that Mo is also valued by our franchise and without proper compensation we can discuss the idea of locking him up long term. Which wouldn't be a bad thing at all, in fact long term its the right move. Maybe Sheldon is more attractive to other teams with his low salary and huge upside, I think we should listen to offers for both and see what happens. In the mean time we have to look for ways to free some cap space. Cutting Kerley, Cumberland, Breno, and Folk is a good start. I also think we should sign Mangold and Ferguson to extensions that would allow them to retire Jets and spread out their high salary cap figure over a few years.
I love Mo, I really do. I love all her brings to the team. He's a team leader, a good citizen, has length to disrupt the passing and running games, power moves, great hands, hasn't missed many games (elbow and leg). He's a proven top lineman in the NFL and someone teams need to plan for. For him he know this year would come after the jets signed Revis. Maybe we tag and keep Mo this year and work out a long term deal in the season or during the exclusive time frame next year. If I'm not mistaken revis's contract is not fully gurrenteed in 17) 13M but only 6 guarantee). Whatever we do, Revis has had a major impact on this cap yet again. He better have a wonderful year next year. I saw him fade as the season went on this year...
Hell no to signing either Mangold or Brick to extensions! You don't do that with older players. Brick should have already retired. Mangold's only another year or two away. You don't want dead money on the cap for them. Mangold should retire a Jet. Brick should too if he's reasonable and willing to take a pay cut.
I truly believe that Revis will be cut following this season. You know he's not gonna help the team by taking a pay cut. Doing so will give the Jets $13 additional cap space. It's a no-brainer. I doubt Mo will remain a Jet. He refused to negotiate during this past season. Why should do so this coming season? He can play out his deal and then be free to sign with whomever. I used to love Mo, but no more. He's rapidly approaching the point where he's dead to me. EDIT: Cutting Revis following the 2016 season will only result in a $7.33 million cap savings. It's Brick who will give the $13 million cap savings.
Cutting Revis will only save 7.33 million next year with an 8mill dead money. 2018 is the year where releasing him is a possibility where the dead money is just north of a million with a 9 mill cap savings. I think Mo is smarter than that and may have learned the hard way that if he gets injured again he could really miss out. If Mo was smart he would start negotiating and start thinking about his future.
Right you are. I was confusing Revis with Brick. Still, saving $7.33 million is nothing to sneeze at. Cutting the two of them with no further dead money hits would save over $20 million on the cap.
If they can't get a decent offer for Mo, we are going to have to make some serious cuts..... it's not worth trading him if we don't receive enough back. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk
You save 7.33 but you eat more than 8 mill, tough call, I'd have to see his play next year before making a decision. Cutting D'brick is definitely a possibility. He has to take a pay cut or could get cut this year which would save 9 million. We can find a very good left tackle for 9 million, either a very good hold the fort guy while we groom our draft picks or maybe a decent long term option with youth on his side. Mangold is also a candidate to get cut as he would save more than 8 million but I hate the idea of doing that to two great longtime Jets, and the idea of breaking up the continuity of the O-line is not the best idea either. Both should come to a better solution soon and have a sit down with Mac.
I think Mo gets traded after the draft maybe after his leg is fully healed but I think it eventually gets done. Next years draft is more impressive than this years but this might end up costing us Snacks unless somehow we can get under the cap. Powell should be signed too hopefully we can get all this done.
As it concerns Revis, I'm sure that how he plays this season, what their cap space is like and who might be available in FA next season will determine whether he stays of goes. I would love to see both Brick and Mangold finish their careers as Jets. IMO they both should already be having that talk with Mac if they haven't already. I understand their wanting to hold on as long as they can and make as much money as they can, but Brick should be embarrassed with his play this past season. Surely he will retire following this season if he plays as badly this year, and since the Jets are playing tougher teams this season, more than likely he will not play very well. Mangold may have one more season in him after this, but Mac and he should come to some agreement as to when his last year will be.
By extension I am politely referring to a major pay cut, especially for D'brick.... I'm talking about a deal that keeps them on the roster while they are serviceable two, three years and that we can get out of relatively pain free if their production really drops and they don't want to retire.
