Hear me out....I know it's a longshot but..... We are a team built for NOW, so trading multiple picks this year isn't a killer. We are not rebuilding. Even though TN wants to take a tackle, they know the trend has been hit-or-miss with OT's the last few years. Numerous guys taken Top 5 or even #1 or #2 overall have graded out as WAY BELOW average -- some barely starting. I believe TN is not sold on any tackle at #1 and would consider multiple picks a better alternative. With no Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning in the draft, the #1 choice overall is not at a premium as with the Redskins and the #2 in 2012. We know we need a QB in the next few years. We are unlikely to have a lousy record to get a Top 5 or even Top 10 pick. The Jets 20th pick is worth 850 points....the 2nd is worth 390.....the 3rd is 175. If you package them all, it's only 1415 points, not even 1/2 way there. So I am wondering if we can trade something -- Wilkerson ? Richardson -- to sweeten the pot. Unless we give up a #1 in 2017 or 2018.
I absolutely hate the idea of trading up to take a qb but.... I doubt you'd need to go all the way up to number 1 for a quality qb. I don't think Wentz is that much better than Goff. That being said if you look at the Revis trade you can estimate Wilkerson's value at about 1350 so I think Mo plus our #1 will get us to San Diego at number 3. I hate the phrase "win now mode". Besides the perennial trash teams i.e. Cleveland and Tennessee and a couple other young squads out there, isn't every team in win now mode? I think the Patriots have been in win now mode for the last 15 years.
So we're talking at minimum 3 first rounders + additional draft picks right? Worked out well for Washington, and that was for a Heisman winner not an FCS quarterback...
Wentz most likely is going to Cleveland at 2. So that means trading up to the number 1 spot. The price for that would be insane. Most likely our 1st this year and next year and also another 2nd rounder. Maybe 2 of em. Not worth it in the least. Also consider that Wentz , who might turn into something great but Im not counting on that especially if he goes to Cleveland , isnt even the surefire best QB in this draft. This is why teams like the Browns are constantly picking where they pick every year. Overdraft these average QB's and fail to upgrade the rest of your team in the process.
In a word, no. This team is still rebuilding. The team had, I think, the 4th or 5th softest schedule in the league and yet didn't dominate much of anyone. The only real positions of strength are the two starting WR's and the D-line at the moment. the LB corp is in shambles, the O-line is old, and the secondary lacks a true shutdown corner, Revis is still an elite CB but he's on the decline and he's no longer Revis Island. The teams not horrible, it's got a very strong base, but it's at best an average team right now and a team that can't afford to give up a ton of picks for a QB who has the physical tools but is a project starter.
Our GM wasn't willing to go from 6 to 2 to get a prospect about 10x better but you think he might go from 20 to 1 for a worse prospect?
You want to trade pretty much our entire draft for a kid from North Dakota State? A kid that realistically should be drafted in the 3rd round? Hell no, get that nonsense out of here.
It sucks that teams are so obnoxious in overvaluing QB prospects. I really like Wentz and have for a while, but I've said all along that he belongs in the mid to late first round. Is someone really gonna take this kid over a blue chip prospect like Tunsil or Jalen Ramsey in the top 5? I'll believe it when I see it.
I like Wentz as well, or perhaps more than anyone on this board, and I wouldn't even think of trying to trade up for him. Normally, trading up for a QB is one of the few times that I think it reasonable to trade up in the first round. This isn't a normal situation, however. You do realize that thanks to Tanny and his constant trading up and along with Idzik, all the blown draft picks, that we have a bunch of holes/needs, not a lot of quality depth and, that unless we can trade Mo very soon, we will have no cap space with which to address those holes, and we only have 6 draft picks, don't you? If so, you shouldn't even ask the question. I get how important the QB position is, and I really like Wentz' chances. He's not going to be ready to play this year, and what good would it do if he were ready next year and we had no RBs, weren't able to upgrade the OL and still couldn't pressure opposing QBs? Besides, we don't even know what we have in Petty yet. Petty could turn out to be much better than Wentz. Now if Wentz was sitting there at the #20 pick, then that would be another issue, but he won't be.
If we thought he was a franchise QB and attainable,then you make the move. I dont think he is either, so I wouldnt bother.
Coming from a big Wentz fan, trading a 6th or 7th for or just picking up RGIII from the scrapheap would be a better value.
to be fair, Tennessee wasn't trading out of that spot, which brings up the conundrum. if a team is willing to trade out instead of taking a qb, you probably don't want that qb.
Probably, but not necessarily. Teams disagree about players all the time. Sometimes it's over whether or not the player will be a fit in their system. Sometimes it may be due to character issues/concerns. At other times it may be that a player isn't fast/tall/big enough to satisfy the needs for which they're looking. In the case of QBs like Mariota, some teams don't like QBs who come from a collegiate spread offense or who run the ball. They want a pure pocket passer, while other teams want a player like Mariota.
