Forgetting the amount of Geno hate that is out there, I think Pennington said it best we are in a good QB situation right now. Fitzys holding down the fort for now. And having 2 young QBs behind is ideal. I am no fan of Geno, but I absolutely think that Rex and staff could not develop a young QB. Unless we draft another QB, I have no problem letting Geno compete right now. Petty is another year away IMO if he even will become the guy for us, we don't even know that yet. Point being, this is all a crapshoot after Fitz, so we just have to trust our GM to bring in the right guys.
Smith is a negative presence on the team. Putting aside his contract situation, which imo is not that significant either way, the Jets owe him nothing. Nothing. There is no reason to think he will develop into anything better than we have seen, which is a bottom dwelling Qb who loses games all by himself. The business last camp with IK, preceded by other discipline and character issues, are more than enough to reach a final conclusion about him. The thing is other players make their own judgments about what kind of team they are playing for, who is running the team and what their decisions say about them. Says here that a team that thinks Smith deserves a roster spot is taking a big risk the other players will doubt that leadership, or worse.
That could be a result...some Jets players could doubt Mac and Bowles for keeping Smith around, but I think the smarter ones would realize that the Jets are in bind this offseason. They don't have much cap space and they have several key starters that need to be re-signed, including Fitz. Simply put, the Jets don't have the cap space to get rid of Smith and then have to sign an older vet for a lot more money who isn't even as good as Smith. What sense does that make? I sure wouldn't want players thinking that was the way to go. Right now, it's mostly a matter of economics. The Jets simply cannot afford to replace Smith this offseason. The Jets aren't saying that he's their QB of the future or even potentially at this point. He's just a backup, cheap and has some talent. While those other vet QBs may have better situational awareness and better football IQs (which even as bad as Smith is in that area is debatable for some of them), Smith is more talented and he can make plays that those other guys can only dream about. Players should realize that too.
I rate Smith's ability lower than you do. I am not unaware of the cap situation, but we simply do not know at this point just how much it will dictate that the Jets keep Smith. In addition the draft just might play out so that BPA brings a Qb to the Jets. How that might affect Smith's situation is also unknown at this point. But we do know for the reasons I mentioned that there is a cost to keeping him on the team. Whether that is outweighed by other considerations, we simply do not know right now.
Fair enough. If the Jets draft a QB, then I think Smith's a goner, as I see no way they keep 4 QBs. No, we don't know that there is a cost to keeping him. That's your guess. Not a single player on the team may think or feel as you do.
at a minimum his roster spot is a cost in that it is part of a limited opportunity to field as competitive team as you can. But beyond that I would be shocked if there is not a general, while perhaps not universal, sense that he is not added value compared to someone else, or a good teammate in general. The IK incident says just the opposite, and I have not forgotten that even if some here have.
I haven't forgotten that incident. There could be some of that sentiment in the locker room, but when put in the context of the Jets cap situation and the FA QBs that are available, it should be easily set aside imo.
I guess it is one of those cases where those here are engaging in a certain amount of guesswork on such matters, maybe more than usually so. I don't mind opining on the subject while still acknowledging in the end we will have to see what plays out.
Exactly! That's what this site is for, opining, and that's what makes it interesting (the exchange of ideas and opinions). If we all thought the same, it would be boring. As with most things, the truth often lies somewhere in the middle.
The chances of Geno Smith being cut is slim to none. He's at best a capable backup, and I think Petty needs to beat him in a competition to see where we really are in terms of his progression. I've never been a fan of Geno, but I like the idea of having the 3 we have right now for next yr
In my opinion, comparing Geno and Petty coming out, Petty was more poised and had better football IQ but adjusting for age and the fact they are both in the NFL, this is no longer exactly true. This is because Geno looked good under pressure and played smart in his last 3-4 games. Petty, meanwhile, didn't play well under pressure in college and it's unclear if he's improved enough in 1 year to say that is something he will have over Geno when he starts throwing INTs in camp. Accuracy wise, Petty wasn't more accurate than Geno in a similar college offense either, so it's unlikely he is more accurate now. Since Petty hasn't played, it is unclear if Petty can read defenses or if he is good under pressure. You can't assume he can because Geno has had some trouble. Petty is from a similar offense and will likely have similar issues. Contrary to your assertions, we actually do know Geno can read defenses. He did so late last year and seemed to knew where to go with the ball against Oakland. He has also gotten increasingly better under pressure too. If you can't see his improvement, then you don't know how to evaluate QBs, and no amount of discussion will change your mind. We'll just have to wait and see. I disagree with you that Geno lacks the raw ingredients to be a starting QB. You don't need sterling football IQ to be a franchise QB; just a sufficient amount and then a surplus of playmaking ability to cover up for your mistakes. This is how Newton has played for most of his career; how Joe Flacco has played; and how Eli Manning has played. Geno has shown some promise with his playmaking (running, throwing outside the pocket, deep ball, etc) so I think he's in good football stead as far as middling football IQ and surplus playmaking is concerned. Petty meanwhile has never played a game.
LOL Whatever. Glad you think you're such an expert. You think Geno can be a starting QB, and you tell me that I don't know how to evaluate QBs. Got it! ROFLMAO Get out of here Genobot.
I watch tape and see what I see. I just a lot of you guys pick on Geno because you frankly don't like him as a person, which would be OK if everyone were honest. To corroborate your points, can you find me egregious examples of Geno's low football IQ in the last 3-4 games and explain how said low football action takes precedence over the rest of what he showed in those games? If so I'll concede.
He had one multiple td game. Miami with three. In his last 7 games he threw 6 tds...and 6 ints. Take out the last game (Miami) and he had three. Geno has talent. Winning games ain't one of them.
Oh so you're going back to the same bullshit about how great he played when the season was already down the shitter? Or maybe that fucking awesome game he had against a Fin team that had just gotten eliminated from the playoffs, had their bags packed and had their tee times set? Why don't you tell us about how he did at the beginning of the season when the games counted and he almost singlehandedly knocked us out of the playoffs by October. Don't give us this shit about being "honest". You be honest. You're a Geno fan. Not a Jet fan. I gave you a perfectly responsive post when you asked me to show you he had a low football IQ and you never responded. Is that how you operate? You make snarky comments, ask for explanations and when you get them you ignore them? Don't be a Squat Cobbler. _
I told him Geno had a low football IQ, he asked me to explain why, I did and he ignored me. Now he's asking you for answers. He's a Genobot troll. _
I think I remember that he joined this board not long after Geno was drafted explicitly because he was a fan of Geno's and had gone to WVU.
Well if he also went to WVU he's probably as dumb as Geno so, in a weird way, he thinks Geno is smart. Btw, Petty is a better pure passer than Geno. _
