1) I disagree. I think Petty would win. Geno knows the offense and has more experience, but he still hasn't learned not to take dumb sacks, still locks onto receivers and has trouble reading Ds. Like Stokes, I think Petty has a higher football IQ, and a better grasp of what it takes for a QB to succeed. Geno is much better at running the ball than he was, and has learned and improved, but based on his appearance in Oakland last year, I'm not sure that he's improved enough that he would be able to beat out Petty. Petty already had a firm grasp on what it takes to play the QB position and had the fundamentals down pat. He just had to learn our offense, learn to read more complex NFL Ds, and adjust to the speed of the NFL. Geno had to learn (and still hasn't demonstrated that he has a firm grasp on) what it takes to play the QB position and the fundamentals of the position. Geno also had to learn the offense, learn to read more complex Ds, and adjust to the speed of the NFL. He's done the first and third of those three, but I'm uncertain about the 2nd. 2) I have said all along that Rex and the Jets ruined whatever chances Sanchez and Geno had by throwing them to the wolves their rookie seasons. That definitely had a detrimental affect on their play and their confidence. That said, Mariota and Winston did fine last season getting thrown to the wolves, even though the experts said that Mariota needed to sit for a year. The thing is, I don't think that either Sanchez or Geno would have ever developed into the QB that Mariota already is or that Winston is. For one thing, they don't have the physical tools or athleticism that either of those two QB have. I also don't think that either has even remotely the same level of football IQ as Mariota or Winston. Hence I think the criticisms are valid. It's not Sanchez' or Smith's fault that they weren't born with the same physical talent or didn't have the capacity to develop the same football IQ as Mariota and Winston, but it is still frustrating to watch either of them play. I think the criticism is exacerbated by some posters constantly defending Sanchez and Geno as if they would be topnotch QBs if they had been able to sit their first year or two in the league. Your point about them not being 30 year-old men is valid on one hand, yet plenty of other 21 year-olds seem to have the poise, confidence and calmness to play at a very high level. I think all the criticisms are just frustrations being vented that the Jets haven't had better QBs in our history and we're tired of Brady and other teams getting great QB play and we don't.
Yes.... Yes.... Yes..... How can Jets fans live with themselves knowing that Geno wasn't given a fair shake in learning the playbook. Because, his talent was SO TANGIBLE, SO REAL and SO EVIDENT, that it was the Crime of The Century's throwing him in early. Seriously, if Petty is the answer, Genobots will be on the ground licking his shadow. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk
Name one. If you can, I can name 50 that don't cut it that young. Youth is great for healing and running fast, but not so great at handling adversity. But more to the point, you seem to really like Petty, saying he wouldn't make the same bone headed decisions Geno makes, but what are you basing this on? Geno's had 32 games to make bone headed decisions. How many has Petty had? Look, Petty may be the 2nd coming of Joe Montana, but good or bad we have nothing to go on (yet!).
If you're speaking of just QBs that's one thing. If you're speaking of 21 year olds in general that's quite another. A lot of players come into the NFL and start as rookies and the game isn't too big for them. Are they as good their rookie seasons as they are in another year or two? No, most of them aren't, but some are, and even those who aren't show hints of promise and ability, and one can tell they belong. In terms of just QBs, Luck, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Josh Freeman came in and played with a greater degree of poise and composure than Geno did, and I'm sure there have been a lot more. They made rookie mistakes, but learned from them. I liked Geno. I was one of the few who wanted the Jets to draft him, was happy they did, and thought he could develop, but he did some stupid stuff I've never seen any other NFL QB do just out of a sheer lack of poise/composure such as continuing to run backwards and take 20+ yard sacks, running out of the end zone and taking a safety, and I've forgotten what else. He still hasn't learned to throw the ball away, and I'm not sure he's much better at reading Ds than he was his rookie season. He doesn't seem to have the leadership skills, either. I disagree that we don't have anything to go on yet. Petty played better and looked better in his preseason action than Geno did for certain. He may not have done everything perfectly, but he played with a command and composure that Geno could only dream about. In addition, Petty had mastered his collegiate offense and played with a high degree of consistency. Geno didn't.
If Petty was not close to beating Geno last year--and he wasn't--what suggests to you that he will certainly beat Geno this year? The logical chain for your assuming a 4th round old QB will win a job he lost last year is puzzling. From his college tape, Bryce has a tendency to lock onto receivers more than Geno did late last year. Moreover, while Geno likely does have trouble reading defenses, so does Petty as he never did it in college. Sacks are one thing Geno could be worse in, but then Geno is also more athletic and can run. All that said, controlling for experience and past performance, Geno likely has the edge over Petty when it comes to QB requirements reading defenses and locking onto receivers. Petty's football IQ and situational awareness coming out of college were indeed better than Geno's, but Petty was also older than Geno when he came out. So you might expect an older college QB to have greater football IQ than a young one, all things even. However if both Geno and Petty are on equal NFL trainin camp group, I don't think the difference Petty and Geno's football IQ and situational awareness will be enough to swing things in Petty's favor. Geno doesn't suffer any palpable lack of football IQ at this point. He gets sacked a few times when he shouldn't, sure, but he also makes plays. Can Petty make more plays than Geno in camp?
Unless Petty looks so amazing in the preseason if he gets a shot with the second team and does well ,I don't imagine we will see him this year unless its because of injury.
Did you see him play in 2013 and 2014? Did you not see an almost total lack of situational awareness on the field of play? Did you not see him take unnecessary sacks, backpedaling and backpedaling for multiple 15 yard sacks? Running out of the back of endzones? Running out of bounds before the LOS instead of flipping the ball out of bounds? The inability to read defenses much past his first read? Locking onto receivers? Constant throwing into double and triple coverage? For a few really easy pick 6's? The inability to protect the ball while being pressured or running? He's not a rocket surgeon. _
Geno Smith will never be a good NFL QB. Kellen Clemens was a better QB. OK, maybe he's not THAT bad, but he ain't much better than KC.
He was a dope coming out of college, he was a dope in 2013 and 2014 and he got his jaw broken by a massive, violent teammate over $600, mouthing off to him to cause the fracass. Yeah, Geno is a smart guy. _
I disagree. It's not puzzling at all imo. To begin with, Petty has had a year to study NFL defenses, to learn an NFL-type offense, and adjust to the speed of the NFL. Geno had a head start on him in all those areas. Geno has the football IQ and situational awareness of a mentally handicapped individual. He showed that yet again last year when he got to play vs Oakland. On those two aspects and poise alone, Petty would beat Geno imo. I also think that Petty is more accurate. IMO your saying that Geno likely has the edge over Petty when it comes to QB requirements reading defenses and locking onto receivers is laughable. Did it ever occur to you that the reason Petty was locked onto his receiver in college was that he was playing in a one-read offense, and his receiver was usually open? Geno has consistently demonstrated his lack of ability in reading defenses in the NFL, his lack of situational awareness, and his lack of poise and composure. It isn't easy for me to say these things. I was one of the few who wanted the Jets to draft Geno and I've rooted for him when most other posters on this site had given up on him and said he was awful. I've all but given up on him. I would love for him to prove us all wrong, but I think there is no chance of that happening. He has all the physical talent in the world, but I just don't think he has the instincts, the awareness, the poise, or football IQ to be anything other than a backup in the NFL. I think Petty has the ability (everything it takes, both physically and mentally) to become a very good starting QB.
IDK how many times, I've seen Geno do something similar to that video. I wonder how many INTs Geno would have if he didn't get benched in 2014 ...
I was having an argument with some Genobot a year ago about that zero point zero game he put up in his SECOND year--you remember, 2 of 8 for 5 yards, THREE INTs (that's one more completion to the other team than to his own team) and this troll was suggesting that had he not been pulled, he DEFINITELY would not have posted a 0.0. If they left him in, it's quite possible he would have recorded the first negative QB rating in the history of the NFL. The record keepers might have made an exception. He might have thrown 7 INTs. _
He would've had a negative rating for sure. If it were to actually happen, Jets would've taken him to court on count of conspiracy for throwing a game because there's no QB that could do THAT bad in this era of football.
