Democratic Nomination Thread

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  1. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    It's very possible it was grandfathered in NY. Massachusetts considered doing that in 1979 and I'm sure the lobbyists who failed in that attempt took away some lessons to apply to Albany.
     
  2. JStokes

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    You're right. I meant 18.

    Just about every freshman was 18 so it was as if there was no drinking age on campus. I don't think anyone was ever carded.

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  3. deathstar

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    Good post here.

    Parents could also make/help their kids study their ass off and get a scholarship as well.
     
  4. The Waterboy

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    It was grandfathered, I became legal right before it changed to 19 and then a little after I turned 19 it changed again. I was able to buy beer the whole time.
     
  5. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    “Unpledged delegates exist really to make sure that party leaders and elected officials don’t have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists,” Wasserman Schultz
    calmly explained.

    uh, ok
     
  6. NY Jets68

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    The R's are probably wishing they had thought of this scam with the way Trump is going.
     
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  8. Section 336

    Section 336 Well-Known Member

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    I have never hit a woman in my life, but if I were ever to punch a woman in the face - I couldn't think of a better candidate than Debra Wasserman Schultz.
    In all seriousness though, she is one of the most unlikable people on the planet.
     
  9. Big Blocker

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    You totally misunderstand what she was saying. She was saying since party leaders, including ELECTED officials, are already unpledged delegates, then they will not be running against the pledged delegates that will be the ones grass roots activists seek to have win in the primaries. I think she means this allows for more of an opening for grass roots activists who otherwise would be opposing party leaders in trying to win the primaries.

    I also see nothing wrong with a political party having some balance in place that keeps officials who won elections previously within the overall nominating process. It is not anti-democratic, no matter what else you might call it, as a result, and as critics of the Democratic Party here and elsewhere imply without basis.

    As for the lady in question, I don't know why you hate her so much. She seems nice enough to me.
     
  10. Section 336

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    Actually I did not misunderstand what she was saying because I never even played the clip.
    My dislike for her is rooted from quite a while back, so I would never willingly listen to anything she had to say.
     
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  12. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I'm not following. Can you dumb it down for me?
     
  13. The Waterboy

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    I think the easiest way to put it is Democratic voters, vote for 85% of the delegates, the other 15% of delegates it doesn't matter what the actual voters want.

    As an extreme example Sanders could win 2381 delegates according to the vote compared to 1670 delegates, according to the vote, for Clinton. The Super delegates could then step in and back Hillary giving her 2382 delegates. Those 712 people could change what 100 million people voted for. It's what that party wants though so it's what they get.
     
  14. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    BB is claiming that this system gives grass roots candidates a better chance, which seems to be the opposite if what dws said. I'm trying to figure out how that's the case.
     
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  15. PickSix

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    She was close to being fired last week in NH. Establishment is not happy that Bernie is doing so well.
     
  16. The Waterboy

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    All it does is give the party a chance to over rule the will of the voters. They control 15% of the delegates and as seen by Clinton's lead, 394-44, let it be known early to try and sway the voters.
    Sure they can switch at any time but just like early reporting of polling, another effort to sway the vote.

    All the delegates for grass roots activists talk is just bullshit to not plainly say what the deal is. Just another reason my voter ID card says "No Party Affiliation".
     
  17. Big Blocker

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    So, you hate some woman so much more than anyone else that she is the only one you would like to punch in the face, yet you can't say why.

    Well, I guess we should be grateful for the info, however limited it is, and rather unhelpful.
     
  18. Big Blocker

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    It is not an anti-democratic measure for party officials to be delegates to the convention, and those officials are not running as delegates opposed to the delegates grass roots activists are seeking to have elected in the primaries.

    Yes, it is true then that the effect of having those unpledged delegates somewhat dilutes the effect of the primary itself. But it does so merely by favoring more long-term trends in their effects over short-term ones, by placing elected officials among the delegate total along with those elected in the "short-term" of the primary.
     
  19. BrowningNagle

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    super delegates exist in case the populace decides to pick a crazy old socialist over the person the establishment has been trying to ram down their throats for years.

    plan B as it were
     
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  20. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    but how does that favor grass roots candidates?
     

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