And with the 20th Pick, the Jets select....

If Noah Spence and Jaylon Smith are both off the board at 20, then fuck... Usually not a fan of trading down but at that point that talent starts to really fall off and that is what I'd want to do in this horrifying scenario that I hope never comes true.

 

I'm really hoping Smith is gone come 20. I'll rage if we draft him.

 

I took Elliot. I have a feeling these tackles from MSU and OSU will be nothing more than RTs at the next level. None have that quick footwork you want in a tackle that plays on the left side.

I really want to like Leonard Floyd and I wouldn't be surprised to see him drafted by the Jets. I think he's kind of small and not as explosive off the edge. I liked Jarvis Jones a while back and I think he's better than Floyd coming out of college.

 

Elliot would be really hard to pass up. I would be happy with the pick. Jenkins I feel is more of an ILB, OLB similar to Calvin Pace. I feel he will be solid but he isn't gonna be a force from the edge. Floyd is undersized but he can add some bulk. Hopefully he can get up to 240-250. The weight could be a problem (Aaron Maybin). However the kid has experience dropping back and his hands are very good in pass rushing. He's got some great moves, something really rare coming into the pros.

 

I'm starting to like Elliot more and more as the draft process continues. He's a 3 down back that can handle close to 20 carries a game. The man can already pass-protect and he's not in the league yet. He's got good hands.

In regards to Floyd, remember Dion Jordan from Oregon? Dion, I think was around 250. Mingo from the Browns around the same weight. They are meh to be honest.

 

Weight has something to do with it. But only so much. Gregory was small and didn't have a huge impact. However, he weighed 235 at the combine. He is now listed at 255. Might be affecting his whole game cause he didn't do much. Vic Beasley was smaller but still played well.

Floyd is small. But if he could weigh in at the combine at close to 235-240 that would be really positive. It would be nice to see him at 250 eventually. It may not be possible though. I still think he is explosive, with a high motor and good pass rushing ability. Not to mention he can drop back.

I really wish we would have taken Beasley last year instead of Williams. I think it'll bite us in the ass. But one thing to put into perspective is that Dion Jordan was the 3rd overall pick. Mingo was the 6th. Floyd would be at 20. It's definitely a good value there. A month and a half ago Floyd was a top 10 pick.

He's gonna be a really interesting player to watch at the combine.

 

Floyd carrying only 220 at 6'4" is a concern. Scouts touted both Mingo and Jordan's "length" but Mingo showed (esp. against A&M) that he couldn't get off blocks and got swallowed up vs. the run. As for Jordan, after he screwed up his shoulder, he didn't register another sack (besides his weed issues). Agree with the Elliot pick as far as BPA value goes. If Smith (ND) drops to #20 that means the jury's still out on his rehab (vs. e.g. Miles Jack) and then fears of him turning into Bob Crable 2.0 (a previous Jet 1st round ND LB pick) come into play.

 

I voted Floyd but I wouldn't be necessarily be opposed to Elliot, I've been watching some interviews of his lately and outside of his obvious talent he seems like a really good kid, very humble in the spotlight (and not in Cam Newton/ Justin Bieber I'm gonna do generic things people like to deflect from the fact that I'm actually a dick kind of way) which would bode well in NY.

 

Smith from ND is such an interesting prospect to look at. I think Myles Jack is on another planet compared to Smith, and it interests me to see them discussed on the same level. It took me a while to really look at the tape between the two, but Smith doesn't stand out nearly as much compared to Myles. Even with his larger size, he gets eaten up by blockers, and I think Jack is a far better tackler. Myles can do it all, I would honestly entertain a thought of trading up for him if the opportunity presented himself. The dumb-ass Giants will actually select a linebacker in the first round.

I really wanted Smith earlier in the draft process, but now, I'm kind of iffy. I can totally see the bust factor. I think we both agree, Elliot is the BPA @ 20, if a certain scenario would present itself.

 

I think the difference between Gregory and the Mingos and Jordans is Gregory's motor and his inability to just give up on a play. The man is truly a warrior, he played like a beast in college even when he was injured. We should've picked him up in Round 2 to be honest.

Maybe I was harsh on Floyd. This is when the combine is important IMO, because the kid can no doubt play. I question his first step and size. Interested to see his 40 time.

Beasley, I thought started strong, but fizzed later on. Should be an interesting debate, but I think Leonard Williams can be very special also. He was the BPA at our pick.

 

I voted for Floyd for two reasons, even thought I really don't know much about any of those prospects. One reason was just because the Jets have such a glaring need at pass rusher, and two, I don't think taking a RB is round 1 is wise unless he is AP or Gurley great. I could be wrong, but based on what I've read about and what little I've seen of Elliott in games, I don't think he's on the same level as Gurley or AP. He is a lower 1st round pick so that helps, but still, unless he is clearly the BAP at #20 and it isn't even close, I'd prefer they trade down or take a player at another position.

Looking at those highlights, Floyd has excellent speed. I think there was only one play where he dropped into coverage. I'd like to see more of those. His tackling looks like it may need some work. At least in this film, he looks fast. I'll be interested to see his shuttle times at the Combine and Pro Day.

 

I disagree on Gregory totally. Williams was the BAP and the right pick.

 

Why? Because of the risk? Because you don't think he's that good even if he weren't coming off a major knee injury? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

I would've taken Williams too, that post was more-so about Gregory v Vic Beasley. I liked Gregory a lot prior to the draft. We made the right choice.

I would've taken Gregory over Devin Smith with ease.

 

I didn't have any interest in Gregory. If memory serves me correctly, in addition to being too light, wasn't he also a bit of a head case and have substance issues?

 

His collegiate tape is excellent. He was very light during the combine, but put on weight pretty quickly with the Cowboys. Gregory is a straight up warrior, that has an excellent motor, along with great hands to disengage from blockers. He smoked marijuana as well, but I won't compare him to Dion Jordon one bit.

I remember when we played the Cowboys during the season, we had to double team him sometimes. He will breakout next season.

 

Yes, it's a huge risk. I think he was a great player in college and he will probably be a good player in the league. It's just difficult drafting a player in the 1st with a HUGE knee injury. He probably won't play at all in 2016. Not to mention we would draft him for a 3-4 ILB. He is really small for the position.

I feel that we can get an impact player at 20. Smith could very well recover and then turn around and mess up the same knee or the other one. It's just too much of a risk. It really depends who is on the board at the time. I guess its partially me being impatient but I just think the risk is too high.

 

Just looked at a highlights compilation on Elliott. He looks plenty fast, although not that fluid or smooth. His running motion is a little strange looking to me. I can't put my finger on it, but it looks like he's working harder than a lot of other players who are fast. Maybe it's his arms or something. He certainly was effective and dominant at OSU. I wouldn't complain if he were the pick simply because it would be giving the offense some love and some speed (if he is indeed as fast as he looks vs collegiate players).

 

Thanks. I understand that. I won't rage if he's the pick, but the risk scares me. Still, if he can recover, he's supposedly a special player with a lot of speed.

I thought Smith was an OLB, not ILB. Every projection I have seen has him as a 3-4 OLB.