Could We Win The AFC East for once?

It was worse before that, we had Jim Kelley and Dan Marino both to go through. Plus, we had the Colts in the division, and even though they weren't always good, each of 5 teams competing for one division title automatically get worse odds than 4 teams competing for a division title....

 

That schedule's not so tough ... the Niners and Browns are a joke, the Rams are mediocre at best, the Bengals are choke artists and even "Jetsier" than we are!, The Ravens are not so tough...of those non-division teams, only the Cards, Seahawks, and Steelers are likely to give us trouble, and we could beat any of them on a good day.

So, of those teams, I would say it will prob. go something like this: cardinals (L), seahawks (L), steelers (L), bengals (W), Rams (W), Ravens (W), Niners (W), Browns (W).
So that would be 5-3 for our non-division opponents, meaning if we go 5-3 or better in our division, we are likely in the playoffs. (wait, we have 6 division games, so who are our other 2 opponents?)

 

Who cares how many other teams passed on brady..and we passed on marino which set us back 15 years. The topic of this thread is why we never win the division.. We dont win the division because we passed on brady.. New england got him and they have won the division 14 times in 16 years. No one was talking about the probabilty of picking brady. In the last 16 years we have had very few chances to win the division. Why? cause we passed on brady and the pats didnt. Sorry you cant wrap your head around that simple fact. Also as good as our season was our plan was to start geno. This despite anyone who has watched geno play for the last two years proir to the season knew was a terrible idea. If geno starts this year we dont win 10 games plain and simple. Doesnt mean we arent improving, doesnt mean we arent a nice team.. Imo it means if geno was the starting qb at the beggining of this year we would not have won ten games. Next we should have signed fitz to multiple years when we signed him last year. We could have had him for peanuts as a good back up or a starting qb.. In stead we will pay him minimun 10 mil a year. Lastly i can compare our cap situation with the patriots.. Im fine with your explanation about them winning so guys will play for less but once again you prove my point. That is why we never win the division.

 

sure...but the poster I quoted talked about New England. We can talk about 50 years of history but it's not relevant to recent history.

 

I care, because you're saying the Jets messed up by not picking Brady. Sure and so is every other team 6 times over, including New England 5x over. He wasn't a top prospect, not even NE could have expected this out of him. They made a pick, and he has FAR exceeded anyone's expectations. He wasn't even the QB of the future in waiting. He stepped on the field bc of an injury. So your entire point is out of context and perspective entirely. Do you really think the Pats were sitting there praying the future HOF Tom Brady would last until round 6? The Pats didn't execute a plan of genious here. They drafted a flier late in the draft, and fate would have it, that it worked out perfectly. If you are going to fault the Jets for not drafting Brady then there's no reasoning with you. How do you know Bryce Petty isn't the next Tom Brady? It's a pretty similar situation.

In the same breath you say the Jets messed up by not drafting brady (lol ok) then say IF the Jets started Geno....So your faulting the Jets now for sticking with Fitz? And how do you know Geno would have opened the season as starter to begin with? You seem to operate in retrospect a ton here. Why should we have signed Fitz to a multi year deal? Who foresaw Fitz throwing 31 TDs? Nobody including Fitz probably. He was coming off a broken leg, and hopping from team to team for years at an advanced age. It's ALL hindsight being 20/20 here.

Why don't we play a new game. How about we like the fact the Jets have taken big steps in 1 year and are headed in the right direction for the first time since 2010?

It's easy to talk about players the Jets passed on after their careers are over. A lot of teams pass on players and could say the exact same thing. At the time of the draft nobody knows what will happen. It's a silly argument to make IMO. Can we also list all the absolute BUSTS the Jets passed on as well? Or does it only work for every HOF player in history?

 

Should be the Colts and Chiefs, the other second place finishers in their division

 

I never once said in my original post that i blamed the jets for passing on brady....you assumed that. thats on you, that you are upset. We passed on brady the pats did not thats explains 16 years of the 47. I dont care how lucky you think new england did or didnt get. They got him and we didnt thats 16 years. Marino is another 15 of those. With those two things happening thats roughly 31 years of why we almost never win the divison. I do feel that in additon to those things as an organization we have made some dumb decisions like constantly over paying for talent. Revis wanted to comeback here..he has gone on record saying the pats didnt offer him anywhere near the amount of money we did. we overpaid. I also agree with your point about fitz, I never said i thought fitz was gonna do as well as he did. no one did. But we could have paid him a little more a year ago to avoid paying him 10 mil next year. We dont plan ahead very well or even entertain the idea that fitz might be are starting qb for a few years, so we sign him, he over performs his contract and now we are stuck paying for every penny of his performance instead of looking like geniuses. Its a pattern that teams that win their divison 2 every 47 years fall into.

 

"We dont win the division because we passed on brady"

That isn't blaming the Jets? By saying we passed on him it means we should have taken him? Now I'm confused.

To say we overpaid Revis, is fair but I don't agree. He came off a monster 1 year deal and a SB winning season. The market was set, combined with Pat Peterson and Sherman. This is also coming off a year prior where Jets fans were IRATE the Jets didn't sign him to the same deal as the Pats did in 2014.
As for Fitz, why did we need to pay him more last year to avoid paying him more this year? Only under the present circumstances which weren't reasonable to predict. At the time, we were staring down a 2016 of cap strapped existence with Mo needing to be cared for and Richardson up next. Who knew Leonard Williams would fall into our laps? Nobody.

 

"we dont win the division because we passed on Brady." Thats a fact. That has nothing to do with blame. If I say the patriots didnt win the division the year brady got hurt. Thats a fact how is the blaming anyone. You put your own feeling into what i wrote. As far as fitz goes I think it is fair to say most people didnt believe in geno and the possibilty that we would need a servicable veteran for the next few years as a back up or to start some games was very high. I think it was fairly obvious that fitz was that guy. And we could have paid him to be that guy and now be reaping the benefits of a wonderful surprise. But alas thats not what we did.

If i was blaming the jets for every qb they pass on..the list would be alot longer. I was simply stating the fact that by passing on two qbs that went to our rivals we lost about 31 years worth of chances to win the division. I view those two statements as a legitimate answer to the threads question

 

You keep accusing me of being angry, when I'm simply making reasonable deductions of your own words. Passing on Brady means the Jets opted not to draft him intentionally. Was he even on the Jets board? I doubt it, as I doubt he was not on many boards at all, hence his 6th round draft status.

We needed a guy to compete with Geno this year. They got that. The same year they drafted Bryce Petty. To say after the year and 31 TDs later we should have locked him up long term, when he was coming off a broken leg and numerous failed seasons some of which as a backup, is quite easy to say on 1/18/16. Meanwhile, rest assured if we did sign him to a multi year deal last summer Jets fans would have been IRATE over it.

To answer your question, saying the Pats didn't win the division the year Brady got hurt is not the same at all. It is an injury not within their control and not the same as saying 'the jets don't win divisions because they passed on brady." If your point isn't the Jets should have drafted Brady, then I'm not quite sure what the point is at this juncture.

 

Ok man we disagree thats fine. Your are stuck on the jets cant tell the future and I am stuck with the idea that fitz has always been a very good back up thats is why he has had so many opportunities to start in this league. Going into camp I dont think there was anyone who is a jets fan that didnt thing fizt would play some role in our season. Some role thats all I am saying. If that fact is true were would we be next year? Trotting out geno again? Probably not? Petty..well if bowles wanted to tie his job here to petty than fine...but since he didnt draft him...probably not. A little foresight thats all im asking for. For some reason you think I blame the jets for passing on brady and marino..you disagree that we over paid for revis and we shouldnt expect to do anything but overpay for talent, and no one could reasonably think we should have paid fitz for a few years. But you dont diagree with the fact that we have won 2 years in 47. What are the reasons than guy...obviosly you think i have no idea...whats your idea?

i stand corrected on my petty comment bowles did draft him

 

operative word, backup.

 

You arent wrong about that.. And my guess is we will pay him 10mil a year for 3-4 years.. And sometime in the next 1-2 he will be a back up again. My point exactly. its moves like this that are the reason we have won the division 2 out of 47 years.

In the meatime here is what i should have said, the op didnt understand why we never win the division

1. the dophins drafted dan marino
2 the patriots drafted tom brady
3 we overspend for good and bad talent
4 currently we will pay starting qb money to a career back up.

hope this takes the blame out of it for you and clarifies what my point is.

 

sure, things change each year. but its extremely unlikely the schedule isnt much tougher. this year is like a once and a decade type cream puff schedule. so many bad teams and bad QBs.

i cant see any scenario where next year doesnt turn out much much harder. how many teams did we even play with a winning record? 1? 2?

 

chiefs and colts

 

#1 and #2 are observations and obvious, but really irrelevant my man. Any team in the NFL can point to a division team and asy "they drafted (insert name here)"
We spend market on talent, and like other teams sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.
The career backup just tossed 31 TDs, so yes we will pay him starting QB money.

Can we close this thread now?

 

Until Brady retires and/or we get a franchise QB, this will be difficult if not impossible. You can almost pencil in the Pats for 12 wins a season with Brady. And our ceiling with Fitz at the helm (or a young QB) is probably 10-6. You would think Brady would start to show some slippage with age (eventually), but based off this season, it's difficult to predict slippage for him until at least 2017. Basically, until we see him have a lesser regular season, there's little reason to think it will happen. It's concerning because you begin to wonder if this guy can play well past age 40. His game never relied on extraordinary physical tools. Barring injury, he may be able to duplicate what he did this season into his early 40s.

 

Brady could have easily been a NY Jet.

He just couldn't have worn the #12.



You can all thank Parcells for not adding him to the grocery list.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...tory-tom-brady-drafted-jets-article-1.1975792