I posted something similar to this in another thread but I think it needs to have it's own thread. John Idzik had 19 draft picks between the 2013 and the 2014 draft. Of those 19 draft picks only 4 of them played any significant snaps on offense or defense. 2 of them played on special teams exclusively and 1 of them played for the Bills. 2013: Dee Milliner - how many snaps did this clown take all season? Sheldon Richardson- the crown jewel of the Idzik regime Geno Smith- hated the pick then, still hate it now Brian Winters- he seems to be improving but he's way too inconsistent for me Oday Aboushi - was cut in preseason (I thought that was a mistake) William Campbell - absolute waste of a pick 13 picks ahead of Baccari Rambo was picked who destroyed us in our 1st meeting with the Bills Tommy Bohanan -I still have no idea what his use is, he does nothing except take up a roster spot 2014: Calvin Pryor -hooray, Idzik drafted a good player Jace Amaro -injured all season didn't play a down all season Dexter McDougle - waste of a pick, big penalty yesterday. Jalen Saunders - cut midseason last year Shaq Evans - gone Dakota Dozier - 2 years in and he's still a project Jeremiah George - who the fuck is this Brandon Dixon - didn't even make it out of 1st training camp Quincy Enunwa - had a huge drop that probably would have been a TD I.K. Enemkpali - played for the Bills broke terrible draft pick in 2013's jaw Tajh Boyd - Rex Ryan's son's friend.... hooray for doing favors when you are a terrible organization Trevor Reilly - actually a real find by Idzik, Reilly is a pretty good special teams guy You wanna know why we failed yesterday? It's because outside of 2 guys he drafted (Richardson and Pryor) none of his draft picks contributed shit. He drafted a 6th CB in the 3rd round, he drafted a broken CB in the 1st round. He wasted 2 draft picks on WR's that didn't even make it to the bye week last year. He drafted 2 projects in Campbell and Dozier and neither have even played a down. One is gone. he drafted a useless guy who plays a useless position. He thought he was smarter then everyone else by drafting a bad QB in the 2nd round , he then drafted a guy who punched that terrible QB in the grill. Enunwa had one good play all season and more drops than receptions. To be fair the jury is still out on Amaro and Reilly was a really good find but even if Amaro turns out to be good he'll have drafted 3 playmakers out of 19 picks. You cannot continue to miss in the draft and then sign free agents. It doesn't work and it failed us yesterday. If this franchise is ever going to win a Super Bowl at some point they are going to have to have a great draft class. One where they find playmakers who start and would start for any team in the league. The 2013 and 2014 drafts are prime examples of what separates the serious contenders from the pretenders.
The Quincy hate is overblown IMO- I know he's been frustrating at times but hes also come out of nowhere as a solid contributor for a 6th rounder or whatever he was. Hes been very important as a blocker this year since we have pretty much no TE and has had some big catches despite having overall pretty bad hands- which is something fixable with work. I just wish we saw more of Kerley in the absence of Powell as he played that role as a underneath/shifty checkdown option well earlier in the year before being completely phased out as a receiver-- only returning punts which he clearly isn't suited for. Sad to see his time with us end like this when he was a rock playing with garbage QB's, no RB, and no Oline during a time when our WR core was a complete joke. But I digress...
QE, is a good player. He's not a guy that can go after balls and struggles catching the ball on the run, but come back routes he has been very good. I think he's fixable and worth the investment.
Well if your going to bash GMs ... Hey that Jet pass rush was something else against Buffalo. Good thing we have Quentin Coples and Vernon Gholston. Sure Enunwa didn't play well. Good thing we have a 2nd round speedster in Stephen Hill to open up the passing game. Nice to have a second rounder in Vlad Ducasse to fill the RG need. Good thing Kyle Wilson is back there to firm up the secondary and special teams. And wow, thank God we have a Top 5 franchise QB in his prime like the Sanchize!! Mr T's final years as GM were just as damaging as Idzik's.
+200000 A f-ing Rogues Gallery IMO Quincy E has been a hero and lately the biggest zero Pryor we know is great Amaro lets see Milliner and Dextor gone- will free up space Most are thankfully gone Yes we need a draft like last year. Slowly we get there
Macs draft was pretty decent atleast.Mauldin looks like a player,Williams will be big next year,there's two question marks in Devin Smith and Bryce Petty.
It makes no sense to cut Milliner cap-wise. We would save no money this year. I believe he is off the books in 2017 unless we exercise his 5th year option (hell no). MacDougle is playing for peanuts so I wouldn't be upset if they kept the guy around to play 4th/5th corner. Who knows what the draft and free agency brings though.
I was very critical of the billboard nitwits, and I still am, but that is just an abysmal draft record there. Four or maybe five players out of 19? Unacceptable. But I really question how much blame falls on Idzik. He inherited the scouting the department. There was something very, very wrong with the Jets talent evaluation process in the years leading up to and including Idzik's drafts. That's really the only explanation for not even finding a few decent special teamers and role players who stuck. Imagine the Jets this season with a league-average punt coverage squad? They'd probably be 12-4 and be in the playoffs.
Should have started a thread "Mr T still biting us" or "Our last two GMs still biting us" or "I could care less what you find relevant"
I disagree, there was a reason the guy sank like a stone in a lake and nobody would touch him until nearly the 40th pick. He wasn't a franchise QB and he had some serious question marks coming out. He's been good and bad but when he's been bad it's been at the worst possible moments. I can live with him but he needs to be more consistent.
You might be on to something, Terry Bradway was like Rasputin. Only the Jets shit can the GM and then make him lead the scouting department. That being said a GM still should have some clue as to the players he is drafting, signing and trading.
Enunwa is going to improve, he was basically a rookie this year. I'm not going to hold that against Idzik, as he was a sixth rounder. Everything else is fair game. He hit on 2 of 3 first rounders. And missed on essentially everything else. Terrible drafting. 19 picks in two drafts can set you up for years and years. I'm already confident Macc hit on 2 of his first 3 picks.
He should get credit for Enunwa, it was a decent pick and the guy should get better. I also think he should get credit for Trevor Reilly who is a solid player. Albeit he's only a special teams guy but he's very good at his role. Just imagine if he hit on 10 of those 19 picks? Think about all the great players that were taken between Amaro (jury is out but I'll give him some time on that) and Enunwa? He had 6 picks between and only 1 of them has even seen the field in season 2. 4 of them were cut before the bye week last year 3 of them in training camp and 1 is a project. That's just unacceptable.
Preaching to the choir, man. He had more than enough picks to take Pryor where he did, trade back up into the first for Carr/Bridgewater and then still have 7-8 more picks. Loved Idzik's mentality about building through the draft, but his execution was piss poor.
Of course he did, but when your roster has Capt. buttfumble and a 40 year old behind him on the bench, you take a chance on a fast, mobile strong armed guy who had a decent college career. You can't go through the draft thinking "no one picked this guy yet, he must suck", and you don't pick a QB thinking he'll start day 1. It didn't work out, but still a decent pick in our situation IMO.
Great points. Lack of depth and lousy special teams are direct results of poor drafting in the last few years. And I agree that Mr. T deserves some of the blame. He was after all fired from this job before the Idzipocalypse was thrust upon us.
