Are we the same ole Jets?

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  1. Endlessly Counting

    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

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    In reply to Big Blocker: You are always one of the better posters here and I hate to disagree, and in fact, in theory, I do agree, but I think if the Jets lose they will get savaged by the Giants' loving media just who have been waiting for the "SOJs" to arrive. And if the Jets stand somewhat pat this off-season, while the Giants spend their supposed $50million, then they'll get dumped on more. Never mind that of the $30m that the Jets might have, $15m will have to go to Wilkerson (another savaging if they let him go) and at least $4-5m to Fitzpatrick. Plus, if the Bills can pull out a win despite Rex, like they did in November, that will leave a bitter taste in everyone's mouth

    Having said that, I like MacCaganan, I think we're in good hands there. I like Bowles' approach. I think he is going to be a good coach in the league. I think we found some good players and I am looking forward to the '16 draft. But I don't expect the Jets to get the "We'll get'em next year" approach if they lose. NO moral victories for the Jets, ever.
     
  2. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    In response to this and also the previous post...

    First of all I must not focus on what Giant fans think and say near as much as some here. And I say that as someone who has lived in the NYC area most of my life. Sure I know they're there, and some say stupid shit, some stupid shit is about the Jets. But they don't get to define who the Jets are and how WE should feel about them.

    Sadly, SOJ for me and I think most Jet fans is a label we have come to put on the team and on our fandom all by ourselves. And not out of masochism, but just as a nod to reality. As hard as that is to deal with, it doesn't come from Giant fans, and won't going forward, either.

    As for the point about this being just one year, yeah that's true, but I am focusing on whether this team has turned the corner to something like a sustained period of success, the kind that will eradicate SOJ from our view of the team. In that connection, and like you, 46, I also like what we see in Macc and Bowles. I love what Marshall in particular has brought to the team. I think these developments can mean that corner is being turned. Do I know it has? No, never said so. But I think here there is reason for optimism. That's why it's not just about this year.

    I also don't agree with moral victories to be clear. What I was talking about was whether this team is on an upward trend, and one that can be sustained. I have concerns about the OL in that regard, in particular. And in that two to five year window we don't know who the Qb will be. And we will likely still be dealing with shedding wasted draft picks, I hate to say, like Milliner. (Maybe not, but just saying.)

    SO, given where we are right now as fans, is SOJ permanently eradicated? No. Would a loss to Buffalo hurt? Very much so.

    But also right now I don't feel this is SOJ, and the main point is that if this upward trend continues, as I think is a reasonable prospect, then we very well might see the end of SOJ in the foreseeable future.

    Let's all hope so.
     
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  3. Endlessly Counting

    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

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    BB

    I give you credit for stating that the determination about whether they are "SOJ" should be made by Jets fans and not the stupid, Giants loving media. So I will ignore the Post today, whose front page headlined screamed "Don't Blow It, Jets", whose Jets beat writer (Costello) stated that the Jets aren't really so good and whose main columnist (Vaccaro) stated that NY will always be a Giant town. I think your points are well-taken. I personally believe they stopped being the SOJ's the day Woody hired Wolfe & Casserly to search for a GM & coach. But I've watched the Jets a long time. I truly believe that the players hear the shit all the time, they're human and it can't help but affect their mind set and their play.

    Maybe I'm over reacting. Obviously, the decisions that were made are paying off and the team looks good. But Bowes is the 6th straight Jets coach to have a winning record and maybe the 4th straight to make the play-offs in his first year. None of the regimes ended well. Having said that, I think I have faith in Bowles & Mac, so win or lose Sunday, I'm hoping the upward trend continues
     
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    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    I understand your pov here. I think we're on the same page for the most part. There's no guarantee the Jets will or have already turned the corner permanently on SOJ. We'll see about that. But the Jets and us as their fans are not defined by Giant fans or the Post.

    Hopefully the Jets beat the Bills.
     
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    we will find out on sunday. losing to the bills and missing the playoffs would certainly be the same old jets.

    as far as bowles "approach" its irrelevant, every coaching style grows old and inefficient once you start losing. players coaches, disciplinarians, even keel guys, loud guys, emotional guys, etc...

    mac gets props for the marshall trade buts its a giant incomplete until we see his drafts pan out and how he fixes the LT. QB, DE situations
     
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    Yes, that would be a good example.
     
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    This is a classic SOJ performance. This one will be brought up for years when we talk about the laundry list of painful losses.
     
  8. The_Darksider

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    Same Old Jets isn't just about losing - it's HOW they lose. If the Jets had come out strong and simply gotten outplayed, maybe we could talk about shedding the SOJ label. But it will take YEARS of solid games to even think about getting rid of the stigma.

    And yesterday's loss is right up there with the all-time great SOJ losses of yesteryear. We haven't seen one this bad in awhile, and quite frankly, we haven't even had the opportunity to. Closest would have to be the AFC championship game against Pittsburgh - come out flat, get back in it, throw it all away. But this one was somehow worse from the SOJ perspective. Of course it was a bigger game so it's a much worse loss, but strictly speaking from the SOJ angle, this one was worse.

    Again, it's HOW, not just the loss. Missed FGs, mind-numbing play calling, the offsides penalty on, literally, the oldest trick in the football book, missed tackles, the INT in the endzone with the lead-taking FG in the pocket (or maybe not with Bullock), the constant dropped passes, the 3rd down conversions against - the list goes on. This team did what it always does - gave you a reason to believe, had the fan base buzzing and buying in, and...........BOOM! They lay a huge monster egg that would make an ostrich egg looks small and inconsequential.

    The answer to the OP's thread question: yes, yes we are.
     
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