6 sacks last year isn't huge; Jabaal Sheard has 7 this year for the Patsies playing on a weaker line and he was signed for $11m over two years. You can find 6-7 sacks for very reasonable money. Especially if you aren't looking for the best player on the line. I'm not opposed to keeping him. I _am_ opposed to overpaying for him. And I feel that paying for this year's production _is_ overpaying, because it's a contract year. I'd rather pay for what I saw over the past three years (including this one). If he signs for that money then great. Otherwise let somebody else overpay.
Come to think of it after signing $. Richardson to the Jet season towels he should be happy he wasnt arrested last Summer. I say give Wilk the dough and SR some coal in his stocking
Well, we could have locked him up last year, we could have extended him probably even the year before when we actually had a shitload of money. Shitdzik decided not to, and Macc probably didn't have the money to do so. So now it's either pony up even more money or trade him.
That's exactly my point. Sacks are overvalued because they can be obtained from many different places. I was responding to a previous comment saying "Mo was elite before, he had 6 sacks the prior year see?"
Sacks can be overvalued (Pace had 10 one year) but Mo has stepped his game up bigtime this year, he had a downyear in '14, before that ('13) he was the 2nd best DE in the league behind Watt, along with Sheldon. Now he might be on Watt's level, at least IMO. The Texans do a lot of cheap shit to get Watt to produce great numbers, which is fine because it helps them win, but from an individual standpoint he is overrated, overhyped if you watch how the Texans use him.
Not talking shit here but I am now intrigued as to what these 'cheap shit' tactics are. If they are allowed by the league then why aren't we using them . We all saw Watt abuse our oline all day when we played them. If there's plays where Mo could single handily stop the offense than sign me up
No, it's not that they do anything illegal, but it's just cheap. From a team standpoint it makes perfect sense because it's all about winning, but from an individual standpoint it doesn't mean as much. Have you ever seen Watt play RE? Did you ever see him beat an elite LT? I haven't. Instead you see him beat the crap out of average players on the other side, and that's what the Texans do with him. They constantly move him around, they identify the O-Line's weak link, weakest player, and they match up Watt over him. Winters, Breno, our backup Center that day (Wes Johnson). Did you see him beat up Brick? And Brick isn't even a very good (let alone elite) tackle at this point. But it's all about winning so how can you blame the Texans. Personally though if you're talking about an elite player in order to qualify you have to beat other elite players, and not just chumps. It's like putting prime Randy Moss on a backup corner. Well, great. He's gonna beat him up, that doesn't mean he's gonna do the same against Deion or Revis. They talked about that on NFL Network, I think it was Maurice Jones-Drew. They said Watt was overhyped because Watt would always make sure he has the easiest match up when they game plan, he's calling the shots. If they play the Jets he's gonna make sure he goes against Winters and make the rest of the defense adjust. Wilkerson doesn't pull this crap, neither does Sheldon who right now is matched up with LT's the majority of the time, each week, and he still dominates. Watt is great but overhyped.
Those 'cheap shit tactics' must be awesome. Watt has played every defensive snap over that last 4 games but has been completely shut out. No pressures, zero sacks, etc.
I believe the FO will tag him...and it will be the right decision...before we cut him loose... As most have already noted no Dlineman deserves 'Suh Money'...its just a bad decision to tie that much money on a player not a Franchise QB (I still have doubts abt that too)... Revis is our franchise QB...he earned it with his consistency...The day Mo is consistently great in games we need him to be great like yesterday...Sack Brady on a key 3rd down...I will reconsider... I like Mo don't get me wrong but he is no JJ Watt & recent history shows you don't overpay a lineman...if anything its guaranteed to be a bad decision in the long term ... We have an up and coming L.Williams...and a guy who looks like he might deserve an expensive long term contract in Snacks...If we draft well and the FO proves to be decent in talent evaluation...I would advocate the same for Sheldon...I don't think a huge contract would make him a better decision maker given his history... I believe getting good players all over the field on decent contracts is better than these humongous contracts teams dish out...its easier said than done but still that's my ideal...
Jets are screwed in a good way with Mo and Richardson. Both are topflight DL and both can play in a 46, which seems to be a Bowles thing as well as a Rex thing. If the Jets can get Mo signed at $12M a year or so that's an easy call right now. If not they franchise him next year and see what happens. Richardson will be suspended for 4 games at least for the MO drag race and so they'll be using Mo, Williams and Snacks as the basis until he gets back (again.) Richardson is a dynamic player who could easily be a Warren Sapp type for a decade. The question is whether he can keep his nose clean and realize that potential. The Jets are a great weakside linebacker away from having an all-time great defense.
"Cheap shit", otherwise known as strategy. Why wouldn't you make it really hard for the opposition to call doubleteams against a defender by moving him around the line? And why wouldn't you do that with your _best_ player? You know what I call a coach who says "my best guy will always line up in the same position and allow the opposition to game plan against him"? Unemployed. NFL coaches can always defend one player. The fact that Watt still accumulates _any_ stats is a testament to his ability, and to some extent the fact that the Texans are using him well. I don't take away any credit whatsoever from him for that.
I'd like to respond to this: a good strategist attacks an opponents weakest link and destroys it. So what you're talking about isn't "cheap", it is smart tactical deployment of assets designed to wreak as much havoc as possible and get the best return from your players. Isn't that what GMs, the FO, and the CS are paid to do? IMHO, I have no problem attacking an opponent on their right instead of left if I know that I have a better chance of getting a mismatch. And this is what you're describing. None of this describes an overhyped playe simply because it seems to work again and again whoever they use him. I do this in strategy games al the time: I look for my opponents weakest units and send in my elite troops, crunch them and cause the rest to panic. In football the same thing happens by causing confusion thru penetration, hitting the qb, rushing him, etc. Personally, what you're describing is someone I'd love to war game against..... but Watt is being used just fine. EDIT: think about what happens when teams and coaches start to lose confidence in their systems throughout a game. It begins to affect their play calling and drive down their confidence levels. It also makes players begin to second guess and think instead of go on instinct. This battle is accelerated by targeting the weakest players. It is why QBs usually shy away from players like Revis when you can target whomever the second CB is. Defenses attack as well, however, and the strategy is fundamentally the same: attack the weakest link. Moreover, if the players Watt is beating are so bad then why doesn't everyone perform as well as he does against them? But they don't, do they? He is put in excellent positions for success AND he delivers. This is a really good player working in a good system. Edit2: I despise autocorrect.
Giving Suh money to Suh did not help the Dolphins win all that many games this season. There is something to be said for spending money wisely.
What the hell are you talking about? You really talk out of your ass when you're backed into a corner trying to make a point in a debate. Like the Texans give two shits about his stat line. He has 71.5 sacks in 79 games to go along with 43 passes defended and 14 forced fumbles. Compare it to the best corner in football? Revis has 67 PD since 2010. Yeah he doesn't play well against good offensive lineman with that production. You're nuts. Cheap shit to boost a players stats lol. Cmon dude.
