He thought he was the man with that thing. I dont think he does sl far, but it could be the force that caused him to get over his trooper training. I think kylos conflicted feelings are why he's not as strong as he could be. He is a Skywalker and he should be a prodigy. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
He ain't conflicted anymore. That was a great scene and although it sucks to see Han Solo killed it completely works for the story and is very satisfying. Besides, do we really want to see Han Solo grow old? Rey has to be Luke's daughter, otherwise there is no relevance of the light saber. It was Anakin's and given to his child, Luke, and it is then handed down to Luke's child. I didn't like the movie but what it has set up is very interesting.
Finn got chumped by both a Storm Trooper and Kylo Ren when he used the lightssabre. He was hardly very good with it. He was my least favorite character of the movie. It would have been Poe Dameron but they didn't even introduce enough about the character to like or dislike him. And Captain Phasma is total bullshit. She does absolutely nothing and if she has greater relevance should have been introduced in the second movie. She probably symbolizes the movie perfectly, though. It's all introduction and set up and no substance. Compare Luke and Rey. Luke's story is completely introduced in the first 30 minutes of Star Wars - the son of a Jedi "slain" by the main villain who has been in hiding and is now told of his powers and importance. The other two movies simply further that story that you are introduced to. His father being Darth Vader is irrelevant to that journey and is just an interesting element to it. But for Rey we aren't introduced to her journey? Who is she? What is she after? What is her destiny? None of this is answered in this movie because all it does is introduce the mystery. But that isn't good story telling, it's bad story telling that doesn't create an interesting character for what she is but by simply leaving you to wonder. Curiosity of the character is the only reason why she is interesting at this point.
Fun fact: You guys should know that the Stormtrooper Rey was using the force to get him to remove the restraints is the one and only Daniel Craig !
That seemed more like he was trying to prove to himself he was evil. Like "ok you can do this darkside thing, come on." Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
I agree but it seems that's how the dark side works -- once you make that decision fully it takes over you and regardless of why, killing his father is fully crossing that line of evil.
I do agree tho on the one part, we should have gotten more of the background of the new characters. Its clear there was cut scenes thats gave them more info. I know your disdain for Phasma. I was amazed at how much of her they cut. She originally had a much more prominent role accoding to the script and screenplay. They wanted her to be bigger than Captain Rex. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
Things were done differently in 1977. These days, the audience wants things coming at them fast and furious as opposed to a thoroughly developed character. This movie is tailored towards this generation. Guys like us that grew up with Star Wars can see how differently things were done back in the day. If this movie is a sequel, then although it paid homage to the original saga, its style pretty much condenses a lot of time so what you and I see probably isn't what this new generation of Star Wars fans see. I have a feeling episode VIII will have a lot of filler in it if for no other reason, to flesh out characters and play towards a climatic episode IX or even episode X. This movie could be compared to how the Jets play in the first half.
It felt like a reboot with different characters....maybe i'm just getting old and grumpy because I felt the same way about Creed. Is it really that difficult to come up with new and fresh ideas? I didn't hate these movies there is just absolutely nothing original about them. Check out Bone Tomahawk, Hateful 8, or The Revenant....some decent movies that I have seen recently with a little originality.
Its just easier to build upon success. Remember that you have to convince investors that your movie will reap good ROI. The easiest way to get financing I would imagine is to reboot a successful franchise. Marvel is working with a huge war chest so it can gamble on "Antman" and come out ahead. Batmans, Supermans, the MI's... All pretty much guarantee profit. Hateful 8 has Quentin Tarrantino so there's a built in audience. The Revenant and Bone Tomahawk most likely will be seen by a much smaller audience but perhaps make the money in DVD sales and PPV. I guess that's why so many movies go straight to PPV/DVD and never make it to theaters.
I was a little upset when the "new darth vader" (sorry I don't remember any of the new characters names) killed his father. I liked the father-son bond theme of the original trilogy, how Anakin (as Vader) saved his son at the end from the evil emperor, how that bond brought out the good in him, a cool twist on how good will always win over evil in the end, and the love of the family (father-son in this case) overcomes hate and evil. The love of a family, those bonds of love, is an important part of real life and I liked how that strong love, while buried under the hate of Darth Vader's twisted mind, was able to "free itself" in the end, transforming the heart of Anakin in a "Grinch-like effect" and allowing him to turn the tables on the Dark Side and destroy the Empire "from the inside"! ....we'll have to see how this new trilogy unfolds, but I hope Han and Leia's son is saved from the clutches of the Dark Side in time. Having said all that, I understand how this shocking murder of a father by his own son serves to illustrate just how evil Han's son has become, just how twisted and enslaved by the Dark Side he is, and so if he is eventually saved it will be all the more dramatic. Plus, it seemed like his relationship with Han was not very good (and of course we know what kind of a loner Solo is), so if one simple confrontation was enough for him to turn his life around, to say "OK dad, I'm coming home now!", lol, that wouldn't be much of a plot would it. Now we have a hardened criminal villain who is so far gone that he should be a "worthy fucking adversary" through at least one more film. But I would like to see him turn from the Dark Side at some point, as Anakin did in the original trilogy. ...of course, for some people that never happens, so we'll see.....but thank you Lucasfilm for a great, throroughly entertaining episode 7, and I can't wait for the next one! (actually, I can't wait to see this one again in the theater soon!) ...btw, does anyone know the extent of Lucas' involvement in this film? Is he just a sort of "director emeritus" at this point overseeing things, with Abrams in charge of most of it? I would think Lucas would still retain creative control, and have significant input into the story, but is it Abrams' show now, or perhaps a team of storytellers involved?
You can't have a great "Hero" without a great "Villian". Luke Skywalker needed Darth Vader. I have a feeling Rey will need her evil cousin as well.
I'm also a big fan of savage lightsaber duels rather then the choreographed ones. I like those too but definitely love how in this world they need to be hacking and wracking style with no proper skill in place. Also the big rumor going around... Snoke is Darth Plagueis...the same one the emperor talked about being wise and apparently being one with the force on a molecular level. Darth Sidious said he had killed him but Snoke apparently has been around over a 1000 years like Darth Plagueis and his story was never told. He also looks like he has some serious battle wounds and scars
True, but they didn't necessarily need to have the inevitable confrontation between Han and his son so soon in the trilogy. Seems like they wanted to invoke the big "Luke, I am your father" shocker of Empire, but if this film was the "New Hope" of this new trilogy, perhaps the next one could have been the "Empire", with the big confrontation happening then, rather than trying to roll both into this one...perhaps they were going for a kind of hybrid between "A New Hope" and Empire" in this one? Perhaps they wanted to write Han out of the script because he didn't want to return for the next one?
So what's the consensus on here? Do you guys think that Luke is Rey's father or do you think that she is the daughter of Han and Leia? I have a feeling she is Luke's daughter because Leia had some sort of connection with Rey but it wasn't a daughterly type of connection. Luke was also seen tearing up when he saw Rey but maybe that's because a potential Jedi finally found him?
I was thinking the same thing at the end of the movie. Those are good points you raise; I didn't focus in on the relationship between Rey and Leia, but thinking back I agree, there didn't seem to be that kind of connection between them. .... or what about the fact that Luke's old lightsaber flew past the new Vader (what was his name again?), and into Rey's hand when they were both reaching for it? Could just be the power of Good over the Dark Side of the force, or perhaps some kind of connection between Luke and Rey? (might be a stretch but that did occur to me at that part of the film)
I get it...there were just way to many scenes and plot lines that are identical to the original...hopefully this movies is a setup to a more imaginative sequel and not another lazy script...sorry to ruin your Star Wars party LOL
I thought that Rey pulling the lightsaber was there to show that Rey was much stronger with the Force than Kylo Ren was. Kylo is immature and he most likely can't grasp the concept of the Force that well. Also, Luke was one of the most powerful Jedi to ever live so it wouldn't surprise me that Rey is his daughter because of how strong she was with the Force. In addition to that I totally didn't think of the trippy lightsaber scene that Rey went through when she found Luke's old lightsaber... Maybe because they're related she felt the Force more there. On a side note, I really like how the lightsaber duels were more about going for kill shots while maintaining the flashiness of the prequels. In the prequels all the lightsaber fights were the characters just aiming for each others saber instead of trying to end them. Another side note, Luke lost that blue lightsaber when he got his hand cut off in Empire Strikes Back... How does Maz have it?
Everybody has an opinion and you certainly didn't ruin my experience. He got hurt doing this one so yeah, I have a feeling this is the end of the line for Harrison 70+ year old Ford. He ain't doing any more Indiana Jones movies either.
