Mo Wilkerson vs Marcel Dareus revisted

who is talking about a contract extension for leonard williams? the whole point is that he wont need one, and that he would be on his rookie deal. meaning we would be investing far less in the dline.

i dont see how we pay mo and not ignore more pressing needs. forget QB for a second, what about LT. that is a major concern. we either need to get brick a big extension or find a guy who can step in day 1 and start, since we have no internal options.

if we do extend mo, then sheldon needs to be traded. i cant see how we can pay both. not with LT/QB/Edge rusher being an issue, not to mention this team have absolutely no depth outside of CB/DL

 

You can answer these questions yourself by looking at the Jets cap. Leonard Williams is still UNPROVEN, you cannot replace Mo with an UNPROVEN player.

Just stop. Like I said, you can improve the football team and still sign Mo [it's called the NFL draft]. Read up on the cap and certain players and their cap hits too. Read up on the increase of the cap. Once Sheldon's contract is up - a lot of the players that are making large $$$ will either be off the books / restructure / cut from the team.

 

its not about necessarily replacing Mo. it is about upgrading the team overall. by not being so top heavily invested in defensive line, you can spread that to other areas of need and make up what you lose in Mo by upgrading other areas... and since you have a former DROTY in sheldon and the #6 pick in williams you are not left without talent on the dline as well.

You say that we cant replace mo with williams because he is UNPROVEN..... then in the very next sentence you say we are going to fix other areas through the draft(where guys are unproven). you are kind of contradicting yourself there, no?

You keep talking about williams and sheldons contracts... im not worried about them. im worried about Brick/Left Tackle.

 

The Jets would be crazy not to extend Mo Wilk.

 

Censor? I am questioning why anyone would think a contract that may or may not be earned in 4-5 years has bearing on a contract that is due next year. It is my opinion that it is moronic to worry about the effect the contract in 4-5 years would have next year, because it will have minimal effect in the grand scheme being teams use up close to their cap number each year and if not make up for it the following year.
Do you seriously think Mac is sitting in his office throwing around numbers with the brass and says "gee guys, in 5 years we may have to sign another Williams to an extension, better not give Wilk his contract now".
Of course it will have some impact on the cap in 5 years, if he signs a 5 year contract, but likely by that time the guaranteed money is done and Wilkerson is 31 so they will probably be looking to extend, renegotiate or go with a younger player. That is when you worry about both of their contracts, not this year.

 

Letting Mo go is a clear down-grade. Until I see Leonard Williams replicate what Mo can do on the field then this means nothing.

No, I am only talking about the 3 "elite" players on our defensive line. I think the Jets are aware the offensive line needs to be rebuilt with youth and talent no?

I see no reason why we can't sign Mo and upgrade the LT position by addressing it via the draft. Look at how much Brick makes and compare that to a rookie NFL contract.

 

You want to pay wilkerson JJ watt money? You're out of your mind. Let him walk and draft another guy. Any non-QB not name JJ Watt that takes up 10% of your entire cap is stupid, and limits what you can do as a franchise.

 

Hogwash. When you question the validity of someone discussing something, it is an attempt to halt such discussion, and thus functions like a censor or moderator. I see it ALL THE FREAKING TIME ON THIS BOARD, and I've seen it on other Jets fan sites. We have great moderators here and enough of them. We don't need other posters trying to act like moderators.

This might be a shock to you, but no one cares what you, I, or anyone else thinks is moronic when they are curious about something or want to discuss something. Even if it is moronic, or reflects the inexperience or lack of knowledge of those posters, it is the right of those posters to discuss it. The last time I checked there were no age requirements, experience requirements, or number of years that one has been a Jets fan requirement to post here. If they didn't think it was a valid topic, of interest and/or important to them, they wouldn't post it.

Getting back to the topic, if you don't think that Mac and the other NFL GMs are thinking about the long-term ramifications of contracts they sign players to each year, then you know nothing about how the salary cap in the NFL works.

I wasn't saying that whatever Williams might potentially get down the road will affect next year's salary cap, but it could affect how much total they might give Mo, how that contract would be structured, i.e., more money up front vs. spread evenly over the length of the contract, vs. more of it in the last years of the contract (as is so often the case with big contracts), or whether or not they even plan to re-sign Mo. If what Mo is asking for is ridiculous and based on discussions that have already been held they don't think that Mo and/or his agents are going to be willing to negotiate and come to some sort of compromise, then they may decide altogether not to re-sign Mo. They do have at least 52 other players to think about. They consider what their present cap level is, how much the cap will probably grow for 2016, may even try to make an educated guess as what the cap will be in future years, look at who is likely to be re-signed when their contract expires and what type of deals they'll probably have to offer, who won't be re-signed and how much cap space that will give, and finally, how much it will cost to sign their draft picks the next year, and they probably also consider any players on other teams who they covet who could potentially become FAs and if there would be space to sign them. They have to think years in advance or they wind up like some GMs who don't plan ahead, wind up over the cap, and wind up having to cut players just to get under the cap and sign their draft picks.

They could very easily think that they have Sheldon under contract for another year or two, that they really like Williams and plan to re-sign him long term and that's good enough for the DL. They could very easily decide to trade Mo and use the money that they would have used to pay him to try to sign a Vonn Miller or a Drew Brees if they become available.

 

I questioned the sense in trying to guess if Williams will pan out and guessing what he will be getting paid in 5 years and using that to guess what Wilkerson should get paid.
It's moronic to try and guess at all that and think it has some huge effect on what the front office will offer Wilk.
IDGAF if you look at it as if your being censored, that just shows your delicate sensibilities can't handle the internet.

If the front office lets Wilk go to sign Brees for one year then they better win the Super Bowl that year because it will probably be their only shot, thenh they'll be out of a job. Then again this is just you taking a wild stab at something that is extremely unlikely to happen. Are you sure your delicate sensibilities can handle being questioned about this?

 

So you favor cutting Brick, spending his money on Mo, and drafting a rookie LT with the hope that he is good enough to start right away and be better than Brick? I see a HUGE risk there because we have no depth along our OL. Hate on Brick all you want, but 10 year starting LTs don't grow on trees.

 

Fair enough, but the same can then be said about DLine then, as the emphasis should be on coverage LBs and the secondary.

Listen, I'm not saying Mo sucks and isn't worth a mega-deal. I do believe that we have a lot invested in the DLine right now (in high draft picks), and have some contracts coming up. In a league with a salary cap, we can't give everyone big deals, especially when we have other guys like Fitz, Ivory, Powell, Snacks, and Quigley wanting to get paid. It's a resources game. We have great depth, and I think we can absorb the loss of Mo better than just about any other position on the field due to our depth. I'd be sad to see him go as he's been a great Jet, but I certainly would understand and accept it if we let him leave.

 

lol

 

This is just a ridiculous uneducated post. You really don't think that NFL GM's are trying to pan out 5 years ahead what future contracts might be and the effect that they would have on the team and the rest of the contracts? Of course it has a huge effect on what they may offer Wilk (and anyone else for that matter). You really think that they just plan on throwing any number at the wall without thinking multiple years down the road what ramifications that offer may have?

Lol some of you are just insane

 

Wilkerson has been massive this year. Pay him. There are others we can cut to make cap room. Richardson is a riskier prospect.

Front load Wilkerson's contract if we can.

 

You guys are awesome with the gifs.

 

Thank you. It's amazing some of the crap we see on this site, isn't it?

 

Thanks