That was a joke of a call by the ref, but the bigger joke was Simms adamantly confirming the call after it was reviewed at nausea in the booth. what a pathetic way to end a game.
Mike Carey CBS NFL Rules 'Expert', said the OPI was a good no call. Said the FM was the right call. This guy is entertainment every week. Does anyone remember his debut Jets vs Bucs couple of years ago when Revis was with the Bucs? He just stares at the camera with a blank look like he's a hostage...then someone in the background yells "Mike, you are on! GO!"....He just stares can't say anything. Mike Carey as "rules expert" gives me "great confidence" in where this league is headed. Nantz and Simms are capable of changing a Carey call on the slightest objection.....Carey: "you're right Jim...now that you say that...you're right the call should have been..." He is a clown.
My psychic abilities. Nah, just speaking out loud. I was watching with some people but I just had a feeling once they got the extra play that the Packers were going to win. It was just a random feeling.
Yeah people are looking at it in slow motion from the ideal vantage point and then ripping on the ref who saw it in real time from possibly a different angle. Bottom line is a defender's hand was in and around the facemask of Rodgers and his head moved...that's reasonable for the ref to assume that it was a facemask at that point. Generally defenders shouldn't be striking QBs in the head so don't put your hands in and around the face of a QB and you don't get penalized. End of story.
There is a difference between reviewing every play and making every play reviewable. HCs still have their 2 red flags, but they should be able to challenge anything, including calls, and NON-calls. You'll still have the same number of reviews -- no extra delays, but challenging BS call or non-call would be possible.
do you think the uproar today would be less if coaches could challenge calls but he was out of challenges?
I do actually. Look at this forum. Every time Jets gets screwed by a call, inevitably there is a distinct group that would go along the lines of "HC should never put us in this position anyway". This is when HC can't challenge the calls. When he simply doesn't have challenged left, in addition to above, there would be "should've saved a challenge for later BS call we always get". I'm not saying I agree with these attitudes, but the uproar would be diluted, I'm sure about it.
the uproar would be the same but with 2-3 different tangents. still pissed about the call though. me personally, i am ok with the human element fucking things up every now and then, its sports. opening up more stuff for review is just going to end up with everything review-able and a 4hr game with 3 hrs of commercial. the line has to be drawn somewhere, here's as good a place as any.
Wow that's a lot of debate here for an NFC game. I was too all over the place to even think about sharing my thoughts last night. There is definitely cause for concern in GB, but I'm sure they'll figure it out, and make the playoffs still. I'm not sure about a SB appearance anymore though. The non PI at the end was BS. The FM call was real questionable too. Lots of these things are so ticky tacky though, it's hard to please everyone.
I keep hearing about pass interference at the end of the game. Was there another play where there was PI? Because on the Hail Mary I see nothing. Rogers never touches anyone, no push off or box out and the rest of the receivers and defenders are jostling for position with incidental contact having no effect on the play. I'm not seeing it. _
But the tangent are not about bad call, but about bad red flag management In any case, it doesn't matter. As I said in some other thread, Vegas would never allow to take away their best tool of controlling the spread outcome.
The play before the infamous face mask play is what we're talking about. I'm not sure if it would be on a highlight video anywhere out there, but the guy Rodgers was throwing to got pushed, and held too causing him to miss the ball by a good bit. Would he have caught it? I don't know, but it was clear PI that wasn't called. It would have put them on the verge of FG range, with time left to get another pass in, and get out of bounds. That hasn't gotten much attention though. Everybody seems to only want to talk about the face mask call.
The facemask wasnt a penalty but in the live shot it looked like one so nobody should fault the refs too much for that one. I havent heard many people say the deep throw the play before wasnt a PI but Ive seen a lot less contract be called. It def was a penality IMO but I can understand the refs not wanting to hand the Pack a potential game winning FG attempt. Also the Lions positioning during the hail mary was dreadful.
Obviously we are looking at it in slow motion and the referees aren't. But these referees get paid lots of money to make the right call in real time and they fucked it up. It's called holding them to a standard. Plus like we said the referee closest to Rodgers did not throw a flag. The flag came from a guy down the field... So it was a procedural fuck up on top of a judgement fuck up. When stuff like this happens every week it pisses you off Also- I strongly disagree anyway that a call like that gets made on a QB every time... Only on certain QBs does it get called every time. On Rodgers it does. Guys like Fitzpatrick or Tyrod Taylor or Michael Vick, etc.. Get fucking mauled in the head they don't get calls like this. It was a bullshit call that the NFL's golden boy Rodgers embellished to get a flag.
Why was the defender tackling Rodgers up top when he had no-one to lateral to and there was another defender right beside him. 'Stupid' gets punished in this league. Also, Should point out that whilst refs make some dumb questionable calls they do get many right and quite a few brilliant calls considering the speed and atmosphere. I should like to take this opportunity to apologise to the officials who made the onside kick recovery call against the Jets last week for the various names I called them as that spotting of Marshalls little pinky touching the ball was a very good call (albeit I could of done with them making a mistake).
Yeah, none of what you said happened. Underthrown ball, both players tracking the ball, running side by side with Detroit's S having inside position, Packers WR grabs S around shoulders and pulls him down. It would have most definitely been DPI had the players switched positioning. It's much clearer on the closeup they had during the live broadcast, but I cant find that shot anywhere. Play starts at 3:04: http://www.packers.com/media-center...ghlights/f54a28df-aa67-42f6-82f0-81a2f7236adc
