How much do you blame Mike Maccagnan for the current situation?

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How much do you blame New York Jets General Manage Mike Maccagnan for the current situation?

  1. Very Little - He got this team enough talent to win

    72.7%
  2. As much as anyone else - He made his mistakes too

    25.6%
  3. More than most - His players, his mess!

    1.7%
  1. Endlessly Counting

    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

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    MacCagnan will ultimately be judged by the 2016 draft and what he does at the QB position.
     
  2. Linebacker712

    Linebacker712 Well-Known Member

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    Maccagnan has done a good job this year. While with the Patriots, Revis showed himself to be the same guy we knew during his first stint with the Jets. There was no way to really see that he had lost a step. He picked the best player available for his first draft pick. He got a #1 receiver. Lacking the availability of a star QB, he got a decent stop gap, journeyman QB. He's shown himself to be an aggressive GM who at least has an idea of how to build a team. He's a football guy rather than an accountant. The only marks against him have been Devin Smith and not picking up a true edge rusher, though Mauldin could possibly turn into that.
     
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  3. jilozzo

    jilozzo Well-Known Member

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    He's doing fine, right on schedule. Another 3 years and we'll hit F5 again.
     
  4. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    If you're asking if he should be at least partly blamed for this mess, then firing him isn't far behind. Anyone with any experience watching the NFL knows it's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too early to be blaming anyone other than Tanny, Idzik and Rex for the mess that the Jets roster is and the problems they're having on the field. With the lack of discipline and accountability under Rex, all the new players, new systems and CS, we should be asking how in the world Bowles managed to get them playing as well as they did early in the season. When one considers those factors, plus the injuries the team has had and the level of QBs the team has, it should be no surprise that the team is struggling and losing games they could be winning.

    Sometimes, too, no one is to blame. There are problems and Bowles and Mac have to figure out how best to resolve them, but all the negativity on this site is just absurd.
     
  5. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    In case you didn't know, Mac had no choice. He HAD to go on a FA shopping spree and he had to spend a LARGE amount of money. I swear, some of you guys should be banned from posting or even watching football. You have no idea what you're talking about, yet feel free to spew your ignorance. Unbelievable.
     
  6. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Great post!!! Too bad that some people are so blind/ignorant, that they can't hear you.
     
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  7. Longsuffering88

    Longsuffering88 Well-Known Member

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    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    While I didn't agree with every move he made, Mac fielded a roster talented enough to compete and win any given Sunday, a roster with very few holes and has depth. He did all this in one year. Outside of landing a franchise QB, there's not much more you can ask of your GM. How he assesses/replenishes needs going forward can be a different story all together but so far so good.
     
  9. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    And that's why you're a fan posting on a fan site instead of working in the NFL. If Bowles had done what you suggest the Jets wouldn't have won a single game by now. They only had so many draft picks and cap space. They would have had to fill the roster with street free agents and UDFAs who had neither the talent, nor the experience to help the team going forward.

    They weren't trying to do a total rebuild by burning everything down and starting over. They were trying to be as competitive as possible while they rebuilt the roster. After the last 4 years, if they had come in here and announced to the fanbase that they were going to be doing a 3-4 year rebuild (and that's what you're advocating), and they're sorry but people needed to be prepared for 3-4 more years of losing, the fan base would have revolted. Besides, few teams do that type of rebuild any more. They try to rebuild on the fly, while being as competitive as they can. They were trying to keep experienced veterans to help mentor the younger players and provide more stability while they are transitioning/turning over the roster. This isn't rocket science.

    All this stupid talk of the team by some posters being built to "win now" and that Bowles should be fired and questioning whether to blame Mac is just that...STUPID TALK!
     
  10. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Great post! Thanks for bringing some intelligence and common sense to the board. Post more.
     
  11. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    You are clueless persisting in your idiotic claim that Mac went for it now. It has nothing to do with "spinning" it. You're either a young kid who has little knowledge or experience watching the NFL or just incredibly blind. You're wrong. You couldn't be more wrong. He did not go all in to "win now" this year. That's totally moronic.
     
  12. legler82

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    Young receivers who contribute all over the league have more to do with their talent projecting well at the next level then the job their respective teams are doing "developing" them. What's funny is that the one guy I would have drafted from that list is Owusu and he went undrafted. I would have taken a flyer on Owusu with a 6th or 7th round pick because injuries, specifically concussions, was what scared me not how his skills would project at the next level. Smith is a nice player just not worthy of a second round pick.
     
  13. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    He didn't ignore the OL. He signed Carpenter after being turned down by Iupati and the other top OG whose name escapes me at the moment. He brought Colon back. He tried to upgrade the OL depth. He brought in a number of players for tryouts. He's still bringing in players for tryouts.

    The Jets had a ton of holes and he had to prioritize. He tried to address as many positions and units as he could, while not greatly overpaying for FA. He tried to bring in smart, solid veterans, with good character who are professionals and could help mentor the younger players, provide some stability, and keep the team from being an absolute laughingstock while he's rebuilding the roster.
     
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  14. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    There's no specific number; it takes consistently good drafts to maintain a consistently good roster. Ask the Seahawks, you can't keep everyone. You have to continue to replenish every year. A franchise QB wouldn't hurt either. To have a constantly good team, you need to pair the consistently good roster with continuity in the coaching staff, especially on the offensive side of the ball. What no one truly ever admits, is that the most successful offenses are led by QBs that have been in the same system for very long stretches of time. The next best thing to having an "elite" QB is having a serviceable QB that's been in the same system for a long time. Unfortunately, continuity is almost impossible for a team like the Jets.
     
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    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    LOL…This reminded me of the One of These Things is Not Like the Other song from Sesame Street.
     
  16. tomdeb

    tomdeb Well-Known Member

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    my post stated that he ignored OL in the 2015 draft (save 5th round pick harrison).
     
  17. tomdeb

    tomdeb Well-Known Member

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    I was aware of what collins' agents had put out during the draft. The jets had two 7th round picks. I would have used one of them to call colins' bluff. If he doesn't sign, so what? Few 7th rounders ever make it anyway.
     
  18. NYJFan10

    NYJFan10 Well-Known Member

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    Well I think the 2015 draft will be a pretty significant mark on Mac's ledger either way even if he didn't have his whole scouting system in place. Particularly the Williams and Petty picks.
     
  19. NYJFan10

    NYJFan10 Well-Known Member

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    It's easy to second guess that but NO OTHER team did that either. Plus at the time of the draft Collins wasn't 100% exonerated yet, which is quite honestly a big reason why nobody called his bluff. His being fully cleared came a couple days after.
     
  20. MiaJets305

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    Devin is the only thing you can really blame Mac for other then that his signings have been sound, Cro is gone after this year with no hit and he is the only one that we can complain about. Bowles was not his hire so we cant get on him for that.....Revis even after getting torched this week has still played as a tops 3 corner and Skrines has held his own, not drafting a rb in the draft cant be another hit but the guy is doing his work considering what he has come in to
     

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