Oh. I don't know. Maybe being the first rookie HC in NFL history to get to the championship game with a rookie QB. Twice. But yeah, the team was built by Mangini and handed to Rex. A team without a fucking quarterback. I get it. Oh and this Rex guy you hate so much? He just beat you last week. Maybe that's the angle you should take.
Those teams carried Sanchez, not vice versa. Rex was a DC and the defense led those teams as far as they got. When Rex ran out of answers on D, they lost. Rex didn't beat ME, he beat the Jets, and unless you're a troll, he beat you as much as he beat me. I'm fine with the angle I have, because I know that I'm correct. Rex is a buffoon. After he fails in Buffalo, he'll never get another HC job in the NFL.
this thread makes me want to punch myself in the face. I don't even know who to vote for. groh was a guy who didn't want to be here, Edwards was probably the guy I hated more than the rest, mangina was too goddamn stiff, rex was too big of a douche and bowles is a yet to be determined. fuck this list woody johnson
This is absurd. I wasn't a huge fan of Rex, but in terms of pure football coaching, no one came close to Rex's ability to coach a defense. Players loved playing for him too. He obviously had his flaws - not enough discipline, poor game management, too conservative, 0 offensive knowledge - but he had quite a few positives as well. Herm was a good motivator but had horrendous game management and 0 football acumen. Mangini was a decent defensive mind, nothing spectacular, but the players hated playing for him because he was a totally unlikable asshat. And Bowles has coached 9 games - it's as absurd to judge him as it is to label Devin Smith a bust lol.
Yeah. The simple fact that we've had 5 head coaches in 15 years kind of gives me champ syndrome. It's like someone asking you what's your favorite venereal disease.
It ISN'T absurd. We're talking about being HC here, NOT DC, not a defensive position coach, but HC, who is responsible for the ENTIRE TEAM, and his ability to manage games, make adjustments, develop players, make wise choices when hiring coordinators and assistant coaches, game plans, etc. Rex sucks at most of those things. Players love playing for Rex because he lets them get away with murder. They don't have to be disciplined or work hard. They don't have to show up for games, and they still get to start. HCs aren't supposed to make the team a 3-ring circus. They are supposed to be adults and more mature than the players, not less. They're expected not to make crazy prediction, place undue and unrealistic expectations on their teams, and not provide bulletin board material for other teams. They are supposed to have a degree of class, or at least restraint when in the public eye, and not be bloviating blowhards. I agree that it's too early to judge Bowles, but for the sake of the poll and discussion, I've liked what I've seen from Bowles MUCH more than I saw from Rex. If you like that blowhard cretin so much of coaches of his lowlife ilk, go root for the Bills or another team.
I see we are still going with the narrative that Mangini somehow built our 2006-2009 teams. Yet when it comes to 2012-2013 it was all Idzik. Can somebody for the love of god please tell me why people think a 35 year old guy with one damn year as a coordinator had so much power? And if he has such an eye for talent why did the Browns suck when he arguably had way more power there? He gets way too much credit around here.
here's the simple formula-maginin-tanny drafts=good , rex-tanny drafts= bad. so keeping the constant and judging by the variables maginin gets alot of credit for the drafts. i'm not sure how accurate it is but its where the narrative comes from. idzic wasn't a popular pick to begin with so it was easy to blame him for the continuing problems of the rex era. not saying he is without blame also though
Doesn't most teams win through the strength of their team and/or coaches? Offensive minded HCs win with explosive offenses, defensive minded coaches win with tough defenses and great coaches win in a multitude of ways. No one is arguing that Rex was a great coach. I can even accept the premise that he was not a good coach. However, I've yet to read the valid argument as to why he was the "worst" coach WE'VE had in the 21st century. The ghost of Mangini, being a buffoon and only knowing defense even if true still does not take away from what he accomplished. Mind you, the buffoon DC, masquerading as a HC, fielded the #1 ranked defense using pretty much the same players Mangini had the year before. With similar personnel Mangenious couldn't crack the top half of the rankings. Rex COACHed that defense to that ranking it didn't happen on it's own or through Mangini's telepathic powers. I'd argue that Rex ran out of answers when he ran out of quality players/depth on either side of the ball. IMO his best coaching jobs were in those last 2 years when he managed to muster 6 and 8 wins respectively out of one of the worst rosters in the league both seasons. I think his worst coaching job was in 2011 when he allowed Schitty and Sanchez, who I firmly believe initially hurt his shoulder late in that year, to derail the end of the season not unlike your boy, Mangini, did with Favre in 2008.
For me (as of now) 1. Rex: Brought us to 2 conference games. Correct me if I am wrong, but was that the only time the Jets went to two conference championships like that? Either way that makes up for the 4 mediocre/bad seasons after that IMO. 2. Mangini: An underrated coach of this era. Not saying the guy was amazing, but he did build the team that helped Rex Ryan get to those conference championships. He also had a 9-7 record his 1st year here with a garbage team. 3. Herm: Haha guy also wasn't terrible, he did also get us to a conference game (shows what having a good QB like Pennington can make a coach look great). He was way too inconsistent and had horrible clock management. 4. Al Groh: I am not sure why he isn't considered the worst simply because his only season here was that he had one mediocrity season here and left. We started 4-0 and ended 9-7, seems like he was too afraid to coach here. Incomplete: Todd Bowles: I am trying to evaluate only on a coach's past as the other ones here don't get the benefit of the doubt about the future. He's 5-4 after a 3-1 start, which doesn't really look good at the moment. We obviously were going to improve this year with the amount of money we just spent anyway.
This is another absolutely absurd post. I should go root for the Bills because I think Rex was the best HC out of a terrible crop of Jets coaches. You're not looking at this logically here. Herm Edwards and Eric Mangini were both terrible coaches. Rex, more on the slightly below average side. So now I'm a Bills fan because I'm a logical person. Herm Edwards couldn't coach himself out of a paper bag. 0 football acumen. And Eric Mangini was just a douchebag with limited football savvy himself. Yes, Rex had all those flaws you mentioned. But you can't not mention the fact he took his teams to AFC Championships in back to back years with Mark Sanchez as his QB. Go Bills.
I agree about Herm, but disagree about Mangini. I think Mangini, not unlike like Pete Carroll, shown the potential of possibly developing into a good coach down the line. Unlike Carroll though, he had no one but himself to blame for getting fired. He committed coaching suicide by allowing an injured and completely uninvested Favre to sabotage the 2008 season. On top of that, he could not relate to his players. He did not learn his lesson and continued this in Cleveland.
Yes, most teams do win through the strength of one unit or the other. That's a fair point. As is your point that Rex got more out of the D than Mangini did, and Rex is a better defensive coach than Mangini. That said, that's just the D. I'm also not saying that Mangini was a great coach. He wasn't. I do think he was a better overall HC than Rex was, however. He had better game management skills, and the team was more disciplined. Mangini didn't make the team a 3-ring circus or act like a buffoon. Perhaps my memory is faulty, but I don't recall Mangini-coached Jet teams failing to show up for games and being particularly bad following Bye weeks. If Rex ran out of quality players/depth on either side of the ball, he is at least partially responsible. We know that he had at least some input on the draft. We also know that he chose who was on the roster. His decisions helped to dismantle the 2009 and 2010 teams and led to the problems you alluded to. He got rid of the leaders and destroyed the chemistry on the team. He got rid of depth players like Ihedigbo and Coleman who were good role players and blitzers in those two years. Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree, because I think it was his personnel and coaching moves (or lack thereof) that helped create the sloppy, undisciplined, mistake-prone play of those teams, and he helped create that atmosphere and allowed it to continue. If Rex had just been the DC with the Jets, just controlled the Xs and Os of the D, and had never opened his mouth, I would have liked him a lot better. The problem was, he wasn't the DC, he was the HC. He was a huge embarrassment to the team and removed any doubt about how stupid he is. I have respect him for as a DC. I have zero respect for him as a HC and/or as a human being.
