When will everyone get it about Geno?

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  1. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    But, again, you are missing the forest through the trees. You are selectively picking a few plays without seeing the bigger picture. What I am referring to is a general trend with him . . . no general trend is absolutely true on EVERY play.

    Look, Geno did nothing yesterday to alleviate the concerns that the vast majority of us have about him: He's an incredibly poor decision-maker, particularly in high pressure situations. He displayed the same awful tendencies that have made people very skeptical of his potential to ever be a good starting quarterback in the NFL. He still took inexcusable sacks (the sack he took on 3rd and 1 yesterday was ridiculous and potentially game-changing), he still ran out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage like a moron (as if he STILL FORGETS that he is allowed to throw the ball away once he gets outside of the pocket), and he still stared down his primary receiver (see his interception). Yeah, he made some plays. But, he still did the things that had people so down on him in the first place. Until we see a few games without those critical, unforced, and inexcusable errors, most of us aren't going to believe in him going forward.
     
  2. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    He made those mistakes and I acknowledge that he needs to fix that, no argument from me there. What you're missing is that while he made those mistakes he also made plays down that same stretch. You can't dismiss that, it wouldn't be fair.
     
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  3. slimjasi

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    But, how many plays did he really make? He got us no closer than 2 touchdowns down against the 31st ranked pass defense in the league. You are giving him an awful lot of credit for what essentially amounts to two touchdown drives in a rout. And again, what you are still missing is that a lot of his mistakes came at critical moments, once the game had tightened. The importance of that can not be overstated, because this is a trend that many of us have noticed with Geno.

    Also, another issue is that you seem to want to evaluate Geno as if he wasn't, statistically speaking, the worst quarterback in the league over his first two seasons. Unfortunately for him (and us), he was. So, he's not starting from a level playing field. He's already looked at in the eyes of many as a weakness. Until he plays a few games without the critical mistakes and overall "boneheadedness" that has served to define his career thus far, he isn't going to get the benefit of the doubt from very many people. And, to be frank, why should he?
     
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    If he could eliminate that from his game, he could be a starter in this league, and dare I say an average one. Is there a cure for stupid?
     
  5. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    See, that's essentially my main concern with Geno. In all my years watching football, I can think of so many quarterbacks who had a lot of physical talent, but could never learn to consistently make good decisions when under duress. I just get the feeling that Geno is one of those guys.
     
  6. Jets4eva9011

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    It just amazes me that it'd be the Jets luck to have Sanchez and then Geno. During that timeframe, both have been the worst QB's in the league. If not, bottom 3.
     
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    Sanchez would be feasting with these receivers...
     
  8. The 1985er

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    Im saying that he made plays late as well. On one of those drives we punted instead of going for it, weird decision by Bowles. And the next time we punted again. The last drive we got close. Yes he made mistakes but he made plays as well you just want to ignore that just to focus on mistakes, we get it they were bad but he made plays as well.

    Geno was not the worst QB last year, Bortles was worse, Hoyer was worse, McCown was worse, EJ was worse.
     
  9. James Hasty

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    All we had to do was resign IK after the Bills cut him. But no, we had to blow the valuable roster spot on "fair catch" Kerley or one of the other bums on the roster. Now Geno is healthy instead of suffering a re-broken jaw. Poor planning has left us in this mess pure and simple.
     
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    You try returning a punt when there's no downfield coverage. See if you can even hold onto the ball getting blown up 99% of the time.
     
  11. slimjasi

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    Yes, we got stopped on 3 downs and then our coach punted when he shouldn't have. Yes, we got "close" on another drive. No one is ignoring anything. You are cherry-picking some nice plays in an overall losing effort. We are looking at the big picture and analyzing the plays he made within the context of the plays he didn't make - Again, Geno managed get us within two touchdowns of the 31st ranked pass defense in a rout. Make of that what you wish . . .

    He was on the same level as all of those guys. If you really think it helps Geno's case to make a distinction between himself and guys like Bortles and EJ Manuel . . . be my guest. I won't belabor the point. Also, what I wrote was that Geno was the worst tenured starting quarterback over his first TWO seasons (i.e. when assessing both seasons, overall) - I stand by that claim.
     
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    When has Sanchez ever "feasted" with any receivers, for any extended period of time?
     
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    I'm not cherry picking anything, on those drives where he made his mistakes he made plays to help us as well. That's a fact, you're the one cherry picking by minimizing it as if it doesn't matter, while putting more emphasis on the mistakes as if that tells the entire story. The bigger picture is that he looked solid for a guy making his appearance since December. He made mistakes but he made plays as well. In the drives where he made mistakes he made plays within those drives, they should've gone for it on those 4th downs.

    So now he went from being the worse to on their level? Geno was the worst in 2013, but he was not the worst starting QB in 2014, so I disagree with your point there. For your statement to be correct he would've had to have been THE worst QB for two years straight.
     
  14. Hobbes3259

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    Zero touch. Absolutely Zero touch. And his timing isn't much better.
     
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    When has he had any receivers, for any period of time?
     
  16. slimjasi

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    But, weren't you always the one saying how good Sanchez was? You can't have it both ways, either he was good or he wasn't. Half of the time Sanchez Stans tell you he was good, the other half of the time they tell you he never had the talent around him to allow him to be good.
     
  17. slimjasi

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    Wrong. Once again, I am putting the solid plays he made within the context of the overall game. The mistakes he made are crucial to the story because he never got us closer than 14, despite multiple opportunities. When the game got closer, he failed to get us in the end zone. THAT is the big picture. The correct word isn't minimizing, it's contextualizing. Again, he got us two touchdowns in a rout. He was "meh" and he displayed the same propensity for untimely, boneheaded mistakes that we all grew to know and HATE.

    Once again, I wrote that he was the worst starting quarterback in the league OVER THE COURSE OF his first two seasons (i.e. When assessing 2013 and 2014 TOGETHER). You then made a statement that only pertained to last year. I'm not sure where the disconnect is here . . . the validity of my statement wasn't changed by you pointing out that Geno MAY HAVE only been the fourth worst quarterback in all of football LAST YEAR. lol.
     
  18. Hobbes3259

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    Sanchez is a good player. On this team as currently constructed, We'd be winning the division.

    We already know he can beat the Pats.
     
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  19. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez is a backup quarterback. Stop.

    No chance.

    In what, Singles Tennis? Football is a TEAM sport. Are we ever going to stop with this kind of idiocy?
     
  20. The 1985er

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    And I'm saying that he made plays, yes he took the bad sack, but not going for it on either of those drives was a bad decision by the coach, then asking for a last minute come back with 30 seconds left was poor management by the coach. Both previous drives he made plays to help get us close, when you're down 14 with 3 minutes left you have to go for it, that played a part.

    The big picture is that he was playing his first game in under a year with no reps with the 1's and coming in cold he played as well as he could.

    Again you're wrong, you said over the course of 2 seasons he was the worst starting QB. For that to be true he would have to have been 32nd ranked in 2013 and 32nd ranked in 2014. He was 25th ranked in 2014, so therefore your comment was wrong. I hope that clears up my previous statement.
     

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