I'm not downplaying his mistakes, some of them are inexcusable. I'm saying that he's gotten better since his rookie year and I see progression. I see him step up in the pocket I see him go through progressions, he's getting rid of the ball quicker and I dont agree that he is always not getting rid of the ball. His mistakes are maddening but he's not making more mistakes than your average QB, we saw Fitz who's an 11 year vet make mistakes over and over and no one is killing him like they do Geno.
See, I think here is the heart of the disagreement, in a nutshell. I think many of us don't see progression, or, at the very least, don't see anywhere near enough progression. I don't think Fitz makes anywhere near as many mistakes as Geno. And Fitz, as we all know, is prone to the bad interception.
"Mistakes" are not all created equal. There are mistakes made trying to make plays while there are mistakes made out of plain stupidity. Many of Geno's fall under the latter rather than former category. Taking sacks outside of the pocket when you could have easily thrown the ball away has nothing to do with trying to make a play.
So you're saying he looks like the exact same qb as in 2013? Absolutely little to no difference? If that's the case then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Because in 2013 he looked completely lost throughout the majority of that season, he had no business starting that year. This year (1 game) I see a guy going through progressions, stepping up in the pocket throwing ropes and looking more accurate while delivering the ball quicker. His issues in my eyes is that he will occasionally make those boneheaded plays, but I see enough talent that I think he'll continue to improve. I'm not the one to nitpick because I think Fitzpatrick has done a solid job this year, he's exceeded my expectations. But he's had his number of boneheaded moments in every game. Not sliding, throwing dumb ass interceptions, locking into Marshall, throwing into double/triple coverage, over/under thrown passes, etc. But I don't nitpick his performances because he's doing more good than bad, but how do you quantify who's making more or less mistakes?
How can anyone judge what they saw from Geno yesterday down 3 scores playing against the worst pass defense's prevent for the majority of the game? It's not a coincident that the closer the game got the worse he looked.
Does this question work both ways? Because based on some people's opinions the Raider game pretty much sealed Geno's fate as the worst qb in NFL history and a guy that should be bagging groceries. So is it bad to compliment him on his positives, while the negatives count?
It's actually a very difficult spot for a Qb. Oakland was not in a prevent defense-They were blitzing him all day and dropping back into coverage because they knew we couldn't run. Are his sacks really worse than Fitzpatricks INTs?
Dunno if should be bagging groceries but I certainly believe he should NOT be the Jets starting QB. I came to this conclusion a while ago. With regards to the negatives and positives, they should be considered in context. While some of the positives had to do with the opposition, score and coverage, the negatives were completely self inflicted. The dumb things he did, we know he would do regardless of the opposition, score and coverage as we've seen it over and over again. But don't let me stop you from complimenting him til your heart's content.
Do I think he looks exactly the same? No. Do I think he has progressed anywhere near as much as I would have hoped a 3rd year quarterback would? No. Namely, he still has the worst pocket presence I have ever seen and his decision making is still particularly awful in high pressure situations. I'm just not sure his poor decision-making is correctable. I would LOVE to be proven wrong.
They did not start blitzing him until the game got within 2 scores. His sacks are worse than Fitz's INT as they have nothing to do with making a play. At least an INT at some point had the intent of being a positive play. The sacks that Geno give up have no positive intent. He is just gifting the defense yardage and putting our offense into very difficult down and distances. BTW your argument would hold more weight if Geno didn't throw INTs too but he does at a much more higher rate I might add.
He was inconsistent last year but considering how terrible he was as a rookie he took a step up in year 2. Through one game this year he looks better than he did last year, but you obviously can't just go off one game. I felt that his pocket presence has improved. A few times yesterday he rolled out and bought time in the pocket and threw darts. He still needs to improve and show more consistency in his decision making.
I got it, his mistakes were on him but when he did anything good the Raiders allowed it, that makes sense.
I agree that he got better between 2013 and 2014, but the question is how much better he truly got and how much better he can truly be from this point going forward. We'll see. I'm not overly optimistic. Edit: If I had to sum it up, I'd say that I think he has tendencies that make it very hard to win games with him at the helm.
We'll find out but considering that this was his first game since December 2014, he did alright. Right now we need to run the ball and the defense needs to play well. Geno should play within himself and take what the defense is giving him. I think we will be fine, he shouldn't be asked to carry a team at this time. Maybe in the future depending how he develops. But I'm rooting hard as hell for him to continue to improve and help the team win.
It's pretty obvious that the Raiders relaxed a little bit after getting up by 3+ scores and the Jets went into a no-huddle and got something going against a conservative, somewhat-tamed defense. This "letting up" effect is a seen in some form or another in virtually all aspects of human competition and happens in the vast majority of NFL games. Don't pretend like you don't know what "some of the positives had to do with the opposition, score and coverage" means. But, when the game tightened, Geno looked like Geno. He took bad sacks and played poorly on some critical downs and at some critical junctures of the game. As pointed out ad nauseam already on this message board, Geno has a habit of playing better when the pressure is off. To my eye, he tends to play better in the 1st quarter than he does in the 4th quarter and he tends to play better when the games don't matter. Correspondingly, he really didn't play decently last season until the season was long lost and no one expected anything from him after he had already been benched.
So did the coverage play soft when he converted the 4th and 19 pass to Decker? Was it soft when he threw a pass to Marshall late in the 4th that would've gave us a 1st down that he dropped? The game was in relative reach so I doubt they played soft. It wasn't like their offense with Carr was letting up.
