https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States Conspicuous by their absence in the list are shootings of bad guys by people legally carrying guns other than responding police officers. This in a situation in which carrying legal concealed guns on campus is, well, legal. Not conspicuous by their absence on the list are a bunch of situations in which somebody pulled a weapon after or during another type of confrontation and shot somebody else. There are several cases on the list where up to three people all shot each other and claimed self defense. Getting guns off campus by making them strictly illegal on campus for anybody who is not a security official, local police officer (active or retired) or authorized to carry concealed weapons by the local school district or police department (specifically authorized by the bill in question) seems like a great way to stop the shootings and deaths that happen in the normal course of people being people and fighting over girls, property and other things that cause people to lose their temper on a regular basis. I mean seriously who can argue that Johnny Hothead shouldn't be prevented from carrying a gun on campus in the name of public safety? Will it stop any spree shooters? Probably not, but then again I couldn't find a single instance in that list in which a legally carried weapon carried by anybody other than a police officer or campus security guard did that.
if johnny hothead isn't able to identify that taking someone's life outside of defense is morally wrong or doesn't care that it is morally wrong then what makes you believe he is going to make the decision to follow this law? As for your lack of school shootings stopped by a legal gun in the hands of johnny coolhead, I suggest you do more research than you've already done. I would post the links for you but I believe it would be a good exercise for you to go beyond the scope of your normal web browsing to find more truth. The point was more that California just advertised a bunch of fish in barrels in case any psychos were looking to win the body count competition. Those schools are now very, very safe (trump voice) edit: actually I just realized some if the good guys with guns stopping bad guys are actually documented here.
Basically all you're doing is like any partisan political entity isolating incidents to back up your POV. Only looking for data that makes the gov and liberals look stupid. No matter what the topic. And not giving the whole story. I guess your saved searches include something like this: stupid liberals do it again. Or things equally as one-sided. So it's your time, knock yourself out. If that's how you want to spend it. So much for objective debate when you have your mind totally made up.
What the fuck are you even talking about? I started a thread with a news story from a news outlet and referenced past news stories in a response to a post that said those stories never happen. What data was posted in this thread that makes anyone look stupid? What part of the story have I left out? Try taking off the clown shoes for a minute of your life.
I really don't. In terms of the whole question. Some ideas about allowing concealed carry on college campuses have a lot of merit. And I don't think the Calif. program eliminates all carry in terms of campus buildings, but tries to regulate it and specifies exceptions to the rules. You can't allow people to be fish in a barrel. But that phrase is a gross exaggeration and studies have shown that at most times it's better to allow the professionals to handle defending people in a shooting situation. Whether on campus or other places. Obviously the plans we have seen at those colleges were insufficient to handling the problem. A lot of the problem isn't just the laws on the books but intransigence at local and state levels. There isn't enough money put into the background check system to try to root out people that should be red flagged. But I see the gun lobby and people like the OP being unwilling to even discuss the problem and make changes. Everything they say a resounding NO to. And like him make statements like it's all the liberals fault and they have blood on their hands. In Oregon there was allowance of concealed carry on that campus and it was via a state and school decision, not federal. And the school is in an ultra conservative area of Oregon.
It's funny how one partisan guy with his mind made up throwing out partisan articles and stats is claiming the other side is being partisan. Hypocrisy thy name is you. _
As for the thread title, I can only assume that the goal of California lawmakers was to make the schools more safe. Otherwise what was their intent?
Why don't you stop it already. Being disingenuous. As for clowns. If you want true humor watch your Repub Freedom caucus try to fuck up the country with their extremist views.
Well the guy called me a clown so I replied. And I never said I wasn't a liberal. And on my posts if I quote a liberal source I say it's a liberal or left wing source. Because like the Conservative sites they don't outright lie but often don't give the complete story. They eliminate info that doesn't conform to their POV. You can find stats saying just about anything.
I just dare any of you to prove how improved background checks will hurt gun owners and not help to curtail gun violence. I'm personally for the 2nd Amendment even though for me I don't want a gun. I don't see the gun lobby being willing to compromise at all. Even though millions of Americans want increased gun regulation. The majority. So what about their Constitional rights. And this thread is about gun issues and violence. I'm just giving you my opinion. Or isn't that ok?
Well this is dumb. would it honestly surprise anyone if one of the schools has a shooting on it now ? Some craised loony knows he won't be confronted by any civilian w/ a concealed weapon now.
I'm more worried about George Zimmerman thinking he has the right to shoot me in the heat of the moment than about some crazed killer coming on a campus and shooting me. There are a million more George Zimmermans out there than crazed killers. When I was 17 somebody told me that I was a fool to wear a seatbelt, not yet mandatory, because I was more likely to die in a fire after a crash if I couldn't get out of the car. Crazed killers are the number of deaths that happen from being trapped in a burning vehicle by a seatbelt. George Zimmermans are all the deaths from being ejected from a vehicle during a crash because you weren't wearing your seatbelt.
To each his own, but IMO there is no way those schools just became safer. Crazed killers now know that no one will be carrying other than police officers or security guards is screaming for something to happen. The majority of people in Texas carry and don't they have one of the lowest crime rates in the US? A killer, or let alone a bad guy with a gun who wants to commit a random crime, will be much, much more cautious knowing that the other person could be carrying and endanger his or her own life. Who the hell is going to start waiving a gun around or draw on someone else who is armed?
