Bye Week Analysis: Studs and Duds

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  1. Jets4eva9011

    Jets4eva9011 Well-Known Member

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    Cro is very likely to be gone after this season. His play has diminished for the most part, and he'll only decline from here.

    Coples and Kerley will likely be cap casualties as well, and because they're expendable. I believe they'll do well elsewhere depending on which teams pick them up.
     
  2. NYJETS4life24

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    Davis actually had some key blocks in the Dolphins game. Ganggreennation had a nice article on it
     
  3. edray10

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    Under Bowles when the Jets are in cover 2 the CBs appear to encouraged to take risks to get an interception. Cro just takes bad risks. The 2 TDs he gave up in the first two games where his guessing on the route and undercutting it, unfortunately in both cases he guessed wrong.
     
  4. edray10

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    I agree that Cro, Couples and Kerley are gone next year. I think they might trade Cro when Milliner is ready to come off IR - for a team desperate for starting CBs he could be worth as much as a 3rd round pick around the trade deadline.

    I think they'll non-exclusively franchise Mo and hope a team gives them two number 1s for him. Not sure what they do with Harrison - my guess is either a trade or a transition tag (allowing them to match) if they can't reach a deal with him.
     
  5. Jets4eva9011

    Jets4eva9011 Well-Known Member

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    If that happens, Mo stays. Not even JJ Watt would fetch 2 1st round picks. You'd only trade 2 1st round picks for a franchise QB.

    Wouldn't surprise me if Harrison is also gone, but with the transition tag, there's a chance he could stay.

    If I were the Jets, I'd keep Mo + Sheldon over Harrison for sure.
     
  6. jetfan59

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    Maybe Barnes is the answer if Snacks leaves. He's looked pretty good this year when given the chance to play.
     
  7. edray10

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    You're probably right, but Mo will put up incredible numbers playing with Sheldon and Leo for the entire year. Probably end up with over 10 sacks if he stays healthy. They could also trade Mo. The issue with franchising Mo is that his entire salary hits the cap and every year that passes it escalates significantly so it becomes more and more expensive to franchise him. It becomes unworkable after a year or two.

    Given Leo and Sheldon who are both sgnificantly cheaper unless Mo gives them a significant discount I think he's likely gone next year. A team can only tie up so much of its resources in the defensive line, especially when they're tying up as much as they are in the secondary.

    Cro and Couples being gone will save about $16 million off the cap, but Mo with the franchise tag will eat up about $15 million next year.
     
  8. Footballgod214

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    It's actually Revis and his $16M that Marcus will replace next year, not Cro.

    Cro will be replaced by Milliner and McDougle.

    Gilchrist will be cut for Antonio Allen.

    Snacks will be replaced by Barnes.

    Couples will be replaced by Mouldin.

    Pace will be cut for Reilly.

    Fitz will be cut for Geno.

    We'll be about $100m under the cap.
     
  9. The Notorious J.E.T.S

    The Notorious J.E.T.S Well-Known Member

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    How is Fitz not on everyone's dud list? He is an awful QB.

    People sh*ttin on Sanchez like Fitz could ever in his wildest dreams win 4 road playoff games.
     
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  10. edray10

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    No way are they cutting Revis next year. First of all the dead money charge if they cut him next year is $23 million, which is more than the $17 million charge if he stays. Second of all, given Bowles defense there is no way they're cutting a shut down corner like Revis. Revis may be getting older, but he's probably the most technically sound CB in the league and someone who's technically very sound will be able to play longer because they don't simply rely on speed. Third of all I think they want him to retire as a Jet eventually.

    As for Antonio Allen, this is his last year under contract and Gillchrist is a better deep safety than Allen as well as a better fit for Bowles' system. They might give him a Allen a shot to come back, but Gilchrist's not going anywhere if he keeps playing like he is.

    Snacks,Cro, couples and pace I think will all likely be gone. I think Mo is likely gone also via trade or non-exclusive franchise tag. With Fitz, I think he's probably gone too unless they give up on Geno or Petty.

    Anyway, here's a link to the 2016 salary cap - http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/cap/2016/
     
  11. 101GangGreen101

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    I don't see Coples, Cro and Kerley here next season. Cro maybe, but he will need to take a severe pay-cut, and I think Marcus Williams needs to start getting those reps.

    Is Giacomini really worth the price-tag? I don't think so. I think they can move Brick's money around, maybe extend him a year and lower the cap hit. I don't see them touching Mangold's contract just yet.

    Coples - Cro - Kerley and Giacomini alone is 16M, but the point is to sign him to a long-term deal, or you trade him away via the draft. So it's either Snacks, and some other guy versus Mo. Sounds like a no-brainer.
     
  12. Footballgod214

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    Funny how you saw no way they cut Revis, a great CB, but then say MoWilk will be traded.
     
  13. edray10

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    There'd be a dead money cap charge of $23 million for cutting Revis which is more than the 17 million charge he would have if not cut. On Mo, while he's a great player so are Sheldon and Leo, and they're both significantly cheaper at the same position. If Mo were willing to take a significant discount I think they'd be thrilled to keep him, but I don't see them giving him the 17-20 million a year he seems to want. If they can't sign him and franchise him he's going to be a huge charge against the cap. If that happens I think they either let someone sign him at the cost of 2 1st round picks (non-exclusive franchise) or they trade him.
     
  14. Jets4eva9011

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    Who says he wants 17-20 million a year?? :confused:

    And keep in mind, a decision on Richardson doesn't have to be made until 2017, and Leonard until about 2018 or 2019. Mo can be kept, and I think he will be.

    If anything, Harrison could be gone, and Barnes will replace him.
     
  15. edray10

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    There are different accounts of what he wants. Some have been in that range. Without being in the room we don't know what he's been asking for, but if he was willing to take less than 15 I think they would have extended him already. They're 8 million under the cap for next year and that's without a bunch of players for next year - mo, Davis, Harrison, couples and fitz. They could and I think will cut cro and couples, but that only gives them enough to franchise mo because they need some money to sign draft picks and other needs for next year.

    I hope they find a way to keep Mo, but I think if someone is willing to give up 2 1st re picks, then I think they trade (or allow them to claim him via non exclusive franchise) him.
     
  16. TonyMaC

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    Coples isn't looking worth that 7 million dollar cap hit at present, either he's cut or one hell of a prove it deal gets written.

    I actually think Cro stays on a restructured deal, it was basically written with future flexibility in mind anyway.

    Kerely isn't going anywhere without a trade. The savings hardly seem worth it, to me theres no reason to break up our top 4 WR's any time soon. Veteran depth on a relatively low cost is its own reward, we know what he is and what he's done and thats worth the frigging 3 million it would cost to keep him as opposed to the 1.3 mill we save by cutting him.
     
  17. Footballgod214

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    One thing that sucks is the very phase of their rookie deals that we SHOULD be getting good play for pennies from Amaro, McDougle, and Milliner they're all on IR. By the time they get healthy their gonna want their 2nd big contract lol
     
  18. Zach

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    Rewarding before seeing an actual production is a telltale sign of a well-run organization, right? I knew that.
     
  19. Footballgod214

    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

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    I know right? But I can hear these guys hanging out "One more year of IR and we'll get our next HUGE contract!!!!". If only Tanny was still here lo9l==l
     
  20. edray10

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    Given that they have some pretty good people behind Cro - Williams and milliner- and that Cro is expensive, I don't think there's a reason to keep Cro for 8 million. They also need that money elsewhere next year.

    The issue with Kerley is that he's eating up a roster spot, the coaching staff isn't impressed by him and he's not a great fit for what Chan wants to do. If they have someone they like better for that roster spot next year then he's gone.
     

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