I don't know what you mean but if you're saying they are presumed guilty before innocent based on unverifiable videos made by an unknown organization with questionable ties it's irresponsible. Too bad sitting members of Congress and Presidential candidates are saying these things without any proof. It's shameful. If they have a true investigation (with no attacks like there was the other day) and the facts show they did things illegally then you can say things and have a strong case to defund them.
Yeah but there's no telling what kind of scenario could play out. It's not like these armed teachers would be able to take a shooter out immediately. Deter them, maybe. But these guys are wearing steel flak jackets. Barge into the room and shoot the teacher first before he can even respond. That's what this shooter did. You're right, psych evals aren't going to work because it's just too broad. Limit the number of guns people can buy and gun owners will be up in arms. How could we monitor law abiding citizens that buy guns, but have a mentally ill person in their homes? It doesn't seem feasible. People like this Oregon shooter was law abiding until he wasn't.
I'm guessing this is the guy. "...We were quite a distance away from the actual building where it was happening and, eh, which could have opened us up to being potential targets ourselves and not knowing where SWAT was on their response time, they wouldn't know who we were and if we had our guns ready to shoot, they could think we were the bad guys." He ended up going to a classroom where a teacher there asked if anyone was carrying. He raised his hand and said he was and was willing to defend the classroom if necessary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=64&v=bK-Ht57AdBA
Like I said... Harden the targets. The day is coming when you'll be sending your kids to school thru metal detectors and past armed guards in the suburbs. Video surveillance through all corridors within the bldg and in the parking areas. You don't need marginally trained teachers turning into armed avengers as no matter the training, until you're under fire, you never really know what a person's reaction will be. More casualties thru friendly fire than some math teacher taking down a gunman. Sadly, the day will never come where only the good guys have the guns. Just not gonna happen. For every legal gun sold, illegal guns will also be sold. For every law abiding citizen with a gun, there will be a criminal with a gun and most likely, citizens that have records but are law abiding will also have guns. So will the fringe element of our society. The question will become: Who DOESN'T have a gun as opposed to who has one... Sorry NRA, you can't have it both ways. The 2nd amendment will still be the law of the land. Everyday life in this country is already in transition because of the proliferation of weapons and the acceptance of violence in our society not to mention the abundance of folks with grievances. So, whether we like it or not, we are well on our way back to the Wild West days 21st century style. It will remain that way until the political will to change takes hold. No amount of tragedies or massacres will cause any change so get used to the mindless shootings. Its just the way it is in these United States of Merica in 2015 and for the foreseeable future. Since you can't eliminate the threats, harden the targets..
The friendly fire comment is something I'm concerned with. I don't think teachers are the way to go because if the shooter does know the ropes and the gun rules at the school they'd be the first one taken out. Maybe designated people with training along with campus security in each building and the bigger classrooms. Obviously there has to be a better strategy.
damn right...If Obama was a man he would keep schools safe and create thousands of jobs by having at least 5 armed guards in every school walking around. Get rid of ESL programs in schools for illegal aliens and use the money on safety
Apparently the Oregon sheriff handling this wiped his online profiles of Sandy Hook conspiracy videos he posted. Yikes.
I saw the guy on TV the other day and thought he was intense. But didn't know that he was a looney tune. I've seen a couple of people in this community interviewed including a lady who was formerly the County Supervisor and whose son is a student there and was on campus during the killings. This town is a little like Twin Peaks strange.
If this were true, that they were that far away, then they did the right thing staying away. Using a gun for self-defense should only be done with immediate threats. Going in would have potentially caused a deadlier situation for all and made things tougher for the police to handle.
I was watching The Five on Fox News today which featured Geraldo Rivera and 4 Conservatives. They were debating Universal background checks. Then Eric Bolling gave a new reason for being against increased background checks I've never heard of before. He says the cost of the background check would be too expensive for poor people who want to protect their families. And they'd have to choose between feeding their family or defending them. He thinks it would be unfair.
Maybe we should just give the guns away for free so they don't have to choose between buying a gun and buying food.
Hey, I didn't say it he did! The other 3 with the exception of Geraldo basically said they aren't against it but no stats proving it would work so why do it then. That's one way of looking at it. Don't do it because it probably won't work anyways.
What do you mean "if the shooter targeted the gun-free zone"? He did. It's not a question. Why did he wear a steel plated vest? Maybe he figured the cops would eventually show up when he started shooting fish in a barrel?
Roseburg is in a Conservative very pro gun county in a blue state that Obama carried twice. So they don't like him, anyways. And tell me how improving background checks is going to hurt any of them. Some of the protesters say it's not a gun problem it's a mental health problem. Well, he's just trying to find ways to keep guns away from crazy people. There were two more shootings on college campuses in the past 24 hours.
We've been over this. You're wrong. Again, and you know it. So why repeat it? Sure you can carry on campus, just stay out of the buildings with your legal guns. That's where we bottle up our fish in barrels.
There were 2 articles about that. An Oregon Live article I posted saying nothing about not being able to carry in buildings. And one you posted from a website I never heard of saying it was illegal to carry in campus buildings. So I don't know it. Which article was more accurate? In any case not a gun free zone.
