and geno will be just as bad in a matter of games. not picking and choosing what I watch and how I watch. You make it try to appear that you called out weeks ago that fitz is not a great qb when everyone here with a brain cell knows he on his best day is average. if you need to post on a board to justify your self being go for it. But don't act like your the only one who watches football. No your the only one with time to post a dialog on on the board on something most people see no need to post. But no one here who has talked about qbs has ever said fitz was great how many times do I need to say he is the best of a bad situation? but you are choosing to ignore that fact, the same way you choose to ignore the scouting reports on geno. I watch football to know what is going on. You are mad because someone called you out on something that you thought you had a special claim to and you are getting defensive. Get back to me when you are not defensive and maybe we can talk.
really what have i said that was not fact, Geno is that you? 41 turn overs in 30 games fact or not. is it? geno threw interceptions all over the field so bite me. He fumbled more inside the 20s. you come out of no where try to throw an insult and walk off. Nice move. unless you have something to back up you claim got back to your mothers basement
You can most accurately measure the worth of a person's posts by the frequency of "mom's basement" cracks they make.
because you bring your a game every day right ? would it be better if I told him to get off of geno's sack or to watch games for real bruh? guy walks in throws and insult walks out and then you decide to be the forum police with a statement? and your staement above brings so much to the conversation please tell us more.....GTFO
Huh? Do you read? I never said Decker is better than every other #1. Julio is a #1, Odell is a #1...Tate is a #2. Let me say the same thing again and maybe you'll understand. Decker is one of the best, if not best #2 in the league. He would be a #1 on many teams. I never said he'd be the #1 on every team. He'd be a #1 on Rams, Panthers, Browns, Vikings, Eagles and so on. What are you even trying to say?
Decker's better than Roddy White right now but probably not when White was 28 and a #1 WR. Cruz is just hard to say. I don't think any of the Giants WR's are who they are without Eli throwing to them. When he makes a great pass he's pure money and when he makes a mistake it's not their fault. It's kind of a perfect situation for a WR to be in. This is one of the reasons the Giants have had a bunch of great WR seasons in Eli's tenure but they've never had a great WR. We'll see if Beckham holds up to break that run.
"I'm going to be smart about it this time," said Decker, who played through a serious hamstring injury last season. "I'm not going to rush myself. Obviously, I want to be out there as soon as possible, but we're going to take the proper steps." http://espn.go.com/newyork/nfl/stor...oids-season-ending-injury-left-knee-mri-shows geno didnt have harvin for a while, he had him for one game before he was benched ... powell barely played because chris johnson pretty much split carries with ivory
Do you think that having a qb who can not throw accurately past 10yards, and has 8 seasons of film to prove it, affects the running game? Seriously? There are people here arguing for their own ego and others arguing for the team....it seems. Of course, it is the law of averages that soon everyone will be on the same page. Thats why fitz hasnt lasted more than a season----12 games-- on a team, since he made a name for himself as an incredible overacheiver....and why fans of that team become permanent fitz bashers. Here, when another inherits our old coach, who won four times more playoff games than any other coach in our history, we clown him. But when we inherit a backup, limited, turnover prone, weak armed qb, who has never had a winning record in his life.......we act as if we stole him lol.. and, of course, it's simply a case of sour grapes. Lol smh Rex Ryan has four ROAD playoff wins (one in foxboro)---took the team within a game of the sb... twice....with a rookie Mark SancheZ and NO pass rush.. but he's a clown. Parcells won one playoff game at home, with vinny testeverde, Keyshawn Johnson and Curtis Martin, and he resurrected the franchise. lol Now Buffalo has our "trash" (who won more playoff games in two years than in the 25 years before.) and we have a gem, a qb with a 35-56-1 career record. lol Time will tell the true tale.
You can not blame fitz for much, he leaps and bounds better than geno and fitz on his best day is avg. the running game has been up and down. Decker being out hurt him allot and I think the only positive from the offense this week was IMO Kelley needs to play more. I'm. unsure what's he's done to enrage the coaching staff, but he is allot better than owuso, and would help having him as the 3. The only frustration I have with fitz is his inability to throw a deep ball with any arc. The receivers have no shot when he throws a 40 yard line drive to Marshall, or smith. Those interceptions are on him and hope he works at it all season. Those passes have been disgusting, but other than that he's playing ok for who he is.
Yes and yes. Are you trying to argue that he's not one of the best #2's in the league? Feel free to give me a list of #2's that are clearly better than Decker. Are you also trying to argue that he wouldn't be a #1 on any team? Rams, Panthers, Browns, Vikings, Seahawks, Eagles, Miami, Jaguars, Redskins, Saints. He'd be a #1 on all those and you could argue others as well. Again, what are you even trying to say?
I'm just saying he's above avg #2.....if he could be a legit #1 he would be but he ain't. ....he's no where near elite #2....
So it sounds like maybe you're a Bills fan with an axe to grind posing as a Jets fan. Generally speaking only a fag would do that btw. Parcells took over a 1-15 team that was the laughing stock of the league and improved them to 9-7 then a half away from the superbowl the following year. Rex took over a 9-7 team that was loaded with talent and improved them to 9-7 with a gift from Indy. You have to credit him with a couple of nice playoff runs but he did that with Tanny/Mangini talent that he helped decimate. Fitz was statistically one of the better downfield passers in the league last year. He hasn't been good so far this year but he also has had reps to get timing down with his deep threat. Saying he can't throw more than 10 yards accurately is simply stupid. The idea that people arguing for Fitz are arguing for their ego over the team is ridiculous and you only have to look so far as the record. If we go to 3-1 Sunday will people who prefer Fitz over Geno still be rooting for their ego over the team? yea, ok.
I think the key to all this is the jet defense. Kindly do no let your team fall 24 points behind and you probably have a better QB on the field. Voila!
Yeah, Bills fans are reallyy set at QB with TT. As long as they play teams who have no pass rush and whose DBs give a 12 yard cushion. Keep the games close and Fitz will perform adequately. Let the games go Wild West and he is doomed. The FO knew that. Most of us knew that.
I hate the argument that Geno had nobody around him to support him. While true, it's not like Geno was throwing bombs into their waiting arms and they dropped them. Geno looked just as bad. His late season surges say 1 thing - that he can't handle pressure. He's scoring in garbage time basically. There's no argument to be made for Geno's upside. It's like arguing about a bigfoot sighting.
It's goes hand in hand. There are currently 3 QB's that can make average/below average receivers better than they truly are. Everyone else needs support in order to be successful. You take a guy that shouldn't have even seen the field until the middle of his 2nd year and surround him with average at best talent and the results won't be pretty. But Geno has to make better decisions with the ball and that falls squarely on him. If you give him weapons and he still plays poorly then that's one thing.
Hopefully we can do better than that in 2016. Geno is Tarvaris Jackson level talent. Maybe not even at that level. Petty is Kellen Clemens level talent and again maybe not even at that level. It would be great if one of them pulled a rabbit out of the hat and became a really good starting QB but the odds on that are like 1 in 20 at this point and that's between the both of them. Most of the time what you see out of a young QB is what you're going to get. This is why QB's have one camp to make an impression unless the franchise has a big investment in the guy or has a long range vision for the guy that does not include him playing the first couple of years. All the "this guy has improved a lot and looks like he's made the jump" stuff is wishful thinking most of the time. Look at who is playing QB right now in the NFL. For the most part they started season one for their team. In a few cases they got a season to mature but by and large if there wasn't a very good QB option in front of them they started season one. Patriots - Brady had Bledsoe in front of him and was drafted to convey stolen signals. Freaking Pats got a 100-1 shot on him, probably a 1000-1 shot. Bills - Tyrod Taylor is working on his 2nd team. Fins - Tannehill started as a rookie. Steelers - Roethlisberger started as a rookie. Ravens - Flacco started as a rookie. Bengals - Dalton started as a rookie. Browns - McCown is working on his 4th team. Colts - Luck started as a rookie. Titans - Mariota is starting as a rookie. Texans - whoever is working on his 3rd team. Jaguars - Bortles started as a rookie. Broncos - Manning started as a rookie. Chargers - Rivers held out and Brees kept his job. Brees was a high 2nd round pick who got a redshirt year. Chiefs - Smith started as a rookie. Raiders - Carr started as a rookie. Giants - Manning started as a rookie, albeit not until the halfway mark. Eagles - Bradford started as a rookie. Cowboys - Romo was out of football until he was 25 and the Cowboys gave him a chance. Redskins - Cousins sat behind a 1st rounder who played as a rookie and is a default choice now. Packers - Rodgers was drafted as Brett Favre's successor with a plan that he was going to sit for at least 2 years. Sat for 3. Lions - Stafford started as a rookie. Bears - Cutler started as a rookie, albeit late in his 1st season. Vikings - Bridgewater started his rookie season. Ponder started as a rookie before him. Saints - Brees was redshirted until the last game of his rookie season. The Chargers had just watched the last guy blow out and were going with a safe vet in Flutie that year. Panthers - Newton started as a rookie. Bucs - Winston is starting as a rookie. The last two guys both started in their rookie seasons also. Maybe they finally have a keeper. Falcons - Ryan started his rookie season. Seahawks - Wilson started his rookie season. 49ers - Kaepernick started his second season. Cardinals - Palmer started his second season. Rams - Foles started at the end of his rookie season. Working on his second team now. Looking at Geno, well he started his rookie season and he was up and down but mostly down. Last season he just couldn't move the offense reliably and that was with a good running game, a high profile WR signing, a prolific rookie TE catching passes and other roleplayers available to catch passes. You want to know why Kerley is in the doghouse this year? Because there's a completely new set of eyes on him and they didn't like what the film said about him last year. Petty came in looking raw and that's not his fault given the offense he played in and his decent but not overwhelming skills. However, he doesn't have a lot of opportunities left at this point after only one camp. If the Jets offense really sucks this year Chan Gailey is going to have one more year tops and then boom he's working with a new OC and maybe a new HC a year or two after that and none of them have any investment in him. He needed to look really good this camp to have a real shot at the Jet's QB job. Looking promising but raw just got the can kicked down the road and no 4th round pick has the kind of security to do much more than hope to be a backup at that point. Hopefully lightning strikes with one of these guys but right now QB is a blank on the org chart for the Jets and they're still looking for the guy.
