Give me Rodgers, this season and overall. Don't get me wrong, it is close this season and overall. But I believe Rodgers to be the superior player, because he is more talented and consistently performs better. How you should compare them: efficiency, accuracy, yards per attempt, how frequently they throw TDs, how frequently they throw INTs, who individually performs better during the regular season, who individually performs better during the playoffs, how many points they lead their offenses to (regular season and playoffs), overall skillsets and abilities, individual accolades. When you use these metrics, Rodgers comes out on top nearly every single time. How you should not compare them: who played on the better teams, who had the better coach, whose defenses made more timely plays in big spots while they both sat on the sidelines, team W-L records in regular season and playoffs, team accomplishments. When you use these metrics, Brady generally comes out on top, but these metrics aren't really dependent on what Brady does as a player, but more so what situations Brady has been in due to his team and coach throughout his career. Unfortunately too many fans and analysts focus on these metrics. I think Rodgers will close the gap a little bit on the team stuff by the time his career is over, but right now these elements should only be a very minor comparison factor (if at all).
NFL Leaders 2015 %1st Dwn/Pass Att, 3rd & 8+ Rank Name Team Stats 1 C. Palmer Ari 77.8 ( 7/9 ) 2 J. Manziel Cle 66.7 ( 4/6 ) 3 J. McCown Cle 57.1 ( 4/7 ) 4 B. Roethlisberger Pit 50.0 ( 5/10 ) 5t T. Bridgewater Min 41.7 ( 5/12 ) 5t M. Mariota Ten 41.7 ( 5/12 ) 5t M. Ryan Atl 41.7 ( 5/12 ) 5t T. Taylor Buf 41.7 ( 5/12 ) 9 A. Rodgers GB 40.0 ( 4/10 ) 10 T. Brady NE 37.5 ( 3/8 ) 11 D. Brees NO 36.4 ( 4/11 ) 12 D. Carr Oak 35.7 ( 5/14 ) 13t A. Luck Ind 33.3 ( 5/15 ) 13t C. Newton Car 33.3 ( 5/15 ) 13t A. Dalton Cin 33.3 ( 4/12 ) 13t P. Rivers SD 33.3 ( 4/12 ) 13t R. Wilson Sea 33.3 ( 2/6 ) 18t J. Flacco Bal 30.8 ( 4/13 ) 18t R. Mallett Hou 30.8 ( 4/13 ) 20 P. Manning Den 30.0 ( 6/20 )
From cold hard football facts Brady not GOAT http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.co...l-quarterbacks-third-down-the-playoffs/21101/ Playoff QBs - Third-Down Conversion Rates Rank Quarterback Games Record Plays Avg. Yds 1st Downs Conv. Rate 1 Mark Sanchez 6 4-2 61 7.08 28 45.90% 2 Ben Roethlisberger 14 10-4 155 7.72 71 45.81% 3 Aaron Rodgers 8 5-3 90 6.64 41 45.56% 4 Michael Vick 5 2-3 54 6.87 24 44.44% 5 Philip Rivers 7 3-4 78 8.36 34 43.59% 6 Matt Ryan 5 1-4 54 7.67 23 42.59% 7 Kurt Warner 13 9-4 125 8.39 53 42.40% 8 Peyton Manning 20 9-11 196 7.27 83 42.35% 9 Eli Manning 11 8-3 131 7.35 55 41.98% 10 Tom Brady 24 17-7 244 7.07 98 40.16% 11 Drew Brees 9 5-4 90 6.79 35 38.89% 12 Jeff Garcia 6 2-4 67 7.07 26 38.81% 13 Jake Delhomme 8 5-3 70 7.86 27 38.57% 14 Joe Flacco 12 8-4 133 6.68 51 38.35% 15 Donovan McNabb 16 9-7 190 7.47 66 34.74% 16 Chad Pennington 6 2-4 61 8.15 21 34.43% 17 Matt Hasselbeck 11 5-6 121 7.44 36 29.75% Surprised? Well, there is a reason Mark Sanchez has gone 4-2 in the playoffs and actually ranks No. 6 in passer rating (94.3). Remember, he also ranked highlyat Win Probability Added according to Advanced NFL Stats. Sanchez did very well on his third-down attempts. Simple as that. It also speaks to the problems with basing someone’s worth on just six playoff games and 61 plays, but that is the postseason conundrum. The average conversion rate for this table’s population is 40.21 percent, which puts Tom Brady, 17-7 playoff record and all, just below average to his peers.
If I had to guess, over their careers Rodgers is probably consistently a little bit better. I would say 2015 is a pretty small sample size for a comparison. The only statistical area offhand where I know Brady would have the edge would be 4th quarter comebacks, as Rodgers does not have many on his resume. Although Rodgers suffers in this regard too compared to many QBs because he is not often behind in the 4th quarter.
Although seeing Sanchez at the top of anything is ridiculous, it dispels a bit of the myth that Brady is an invincible hero with superpowers in the playoffs. He's not. He actually was quite unremarkable in his individual performances during the first 3 Pats SB runs, those runs were the definition of team rather than individual success. Yet that made Brady for most fans. His postseason resume since becoming an elite individual player is actually very similar to Peyton's. Eye-popping regular season numbers with a lot of postseason disappointments, and one ring. Brady in the playoffs is a slightly worse player than he is in the regular season, which is very similar to Rodgers, who is also slightly worse in the playoffs than in the regular season. The difference is, Rodgers is starting at a higher level than Brady. So if you look at Rodgers in the playoffs, he's still actually better than Brady at his best (regular season Brady). Nobody stops to notice this stuff though because all you get from the average fan is "FOUR RINGS V. ONE RING - LOL PWNED"
Rodgers has the highest TD-INT ratio in NFL history. He's over 4 and no one else is over 3. He also has the highest passer rating ever by far. I think with a couple more years of stats and another super bowl or 2 this won't even be a question. I'd take Rodgers as the best in history and Brady as second best. And if you're asking about right now? Rodgers without a question.
Since right now is also a going forward question, clearly I would rather have Rodgers. Add in he's not a cheater.
This could be the year for Rodgers to add a ring. How differently are Rodgers and Brady thought of last season if Bostick doesn't botch an onside kick recovery or Malcolm Butler doesn't make a phenomenal late INT. Again, it's amazing how the careers of QBs are so often defined by the masses by plays and events that take place with the QBs sitting on the sideline. I agree Rodgers is building up such a statistical edge over anyone else who ever played the game. If he gets the apparently requisite team hardware, his place in history could be undeniable.
I get that there's no love for Br*dy around here, but any metric that doesn't include wins and SB's, is flawed. Take Br*dy out of the equation, what is their record over the last 13 years? He's made scrub players look like pro bowlers over the years with a never ending rotation of receivers and backs. He's had very good defenses, and very bad ones. 6 trips to the SB, win or lose is an accomplishment. No, he didn't make it all on his own, but the teams he was on would not have made it without him.
This has been repeated ad nauseum while completely ignoring the fact that Brady played out of his mind in the second half.
I truly don't believe Br*dy is the GOAT (Montana, when he's done Rodgers?). Nor do i believe he is the best of his generation or right now (P.Manning, Rodgers). However anyone that tries to deny Brady is among the absolute elite is insane or bitter.
I think Montana is GOAT, and I would take Rodgers over Brady, for one reason only, he is just as good on the run as he is standing in the pocket. The QB position is the difference maker and Brady has earned his due as an all time great QB.
I'd agree with you, I think it depends on the style of offense also. I mean, peyton for what he does is (or maybe was) the GOAT. And I hate Indy. I think there are so many different variables to measure something like this. Whenever people ask the question which QB I'd rather have for the game ending drive my answer is it depends on who else is on offense. Brady has adapted well and Manning is going through the same thing. Quite honestly I'd say Rodgers is a better all around QB than both. But Brady and Manning are A+ game managers. C+ throwers A Decision makers D- rushers A+ at releasing the ball in time to neutralize the rush. As far as the Jets, I firmly believe Fitz can be good if he tries to not be amazing. I think knowing your limitations is an asset.
I'm not disputing that Brady had a very good game in the Super Bowl, he did. But his playoff performances since becoming the focal point of the Pats offense have been very up and down overall, which is in line with other elite QBs that are asked to shoulder that same burden. The idea that Brady is money in every big game is just silly. We have plenty of evidence to show that isn't true.
Rodgers career W-L is very impressive in its own right. I take issue with people who focus on team W-L for a QB in the far smaller sample size of playoff games, where games are very often one possession margins and critical plays that decide the games are routinely made with the elite QB sitting on the sideline. Rodgers isn't a worse player because Bostick botched an onside kick recovery against Seattle last year, but some fans would tell you the fact that he has only been to one SB should be counted against him. Similarly, Brady isn't a better player because his team carries him to the SB in the conference championship game, as happened numerous times in his career, but many fans attribute the Pats SB appearances exclusively to Brady's "clutch" or "winning" style of play.
Well, lets compare regular season W/L. Brady... 12-4, 12-4, 12-4, 13-3, 14-2, 10-6, 11-5, 16-0, 12-4, 10-6, 14-2, 14-2, 9-7, 11-5. Rodgers...12-4, 8-7, 11-5, 15-1, 10-6, 11-5, 6-10, 13-3, 8-8, 4-12. Was Brady "on the sidelines" for all of those games? He's 4th all time for 4th quarter comeback wins with 35. He has 163 wins with 47 losses, 3rd all time for wins and 1st for winning %. Rodgers is 77-33 (48th).
Not to mention it's difficult to compile 4th quarter comebacks when you are in the lead headed into the 4th so often. The same can be said for Manning and all the other great QB's. I always laugh when I hear people use this stat to justify crappy QB's existence.
