Don't you dare think about Geno starting...

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  1. Johnny "Lam" Jones

    Johnny "Lam" Jones Active Member

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    The Eagles d is not that good. But the Jets made them look good with another game of conservative play calling.

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  2. socaljetfan

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    The Eagles' D is pretty good, but not with Alonso and Kendricks out.
     
  3. Big Cat

    Big Cat Well-Known Member

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    Apparently Fitz is 3-20 on passes that travel more than 20 yards in the air this season. If he can't connect on those in early September (and 1 game was in a dome) then how's he gonna look in the violent winds of MetLife + Buffalo in December? Not a pretty sight to imagine.
     
  4. DoubleDecker87

    DoubleDecker87 Well-Known Member

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    That's embarrassing especially with WR's that we have.
     
  5. jco2007

    jco2007 Active Member

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    We already know what we have in Geno. And it's bad. Worst 'starting' QB in the league bad.
     
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  6. Andy_M

    Andy_M Well-Known Member

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    Nah, I think the pathetic blocking pretty much did that. Doesn't matter what plays you call if the oline isn't blocking for shit.....and they weren't.
     
  7. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    I don't really agree, he was playing with complete shit for weapons, he had absolutely no one to throw to. His last four games of last season he played very well and looked good in camp. The whole season was shit, Rex was shit and everyone knew he was a lame duck and him and Idzik were history. The past two seasons were on Woody. It would've been hard for any QB to excel in the final days of the Rex Ryan/Idzik Jets.

    I do agree he's like going to be bad and won't turn that corner, but with Fitz I know what we are as a team, Geno has more of an upside IMO. As someone said Fitz is 3 for 20 in passes over 20 yards, the guy can't throw the ball deep (if 20 yards is considered deep, more like he can' throw the ball).
     
  8. rammagen

    rammagen Well-Known Member

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    here is the issue are you willing to throw away leadership and the chance to to win winnable games to see geno crap the bed again?
     
  9. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    Tough to say, I just watched Fitzpatrick shit the bed and throw away the chance to win a winnable game on Sunday. Not sure, I doubt we do better than 8-8 and miss the playoffs under Fitzpatrick, so yeah I'm probably willing to risk it.
     
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  10. jco2007

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    That loss was not on Fitz. Marshall gave them the ball on our side of the field. He let a first down go through his hands and get intercepted. That pick was on Marshall, not Fitz. Did Fitz play extremely well? No. But he played about how we expect him to play. We could've easily won that game. I think we had a smaller chance to win with Geno under center. His first pick 6 and you'll start getting those flashbacks.
     
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  11. Big Cat

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    Looking at the remaining schedule, I just can't see a way that we go anything besides 8-8 or 9-7 with Fitzpatrick. We know what he is, and it's exactly what he's shown through 3 games. Sometimes he's average, other times he's really bad. With Geno, I can see scenarios where we only win 7 games, but I also see ones where we win 10 or 11 and make the playoffs if he takes a step forward. You don't get anywhere in the NFL by being conservative. It's the same reason the Browns shouldn't be starting McCown over Manziel, and why Rex was right to go with Tyrod over Cassel (the first good QB decision he's ever made). Geno's going to give us a lower floor and a higher ceiling. If we want to go 9-7 just to settle the fan base and give the new regime a winning year to kick things off, then sure, keep Fitz.

    But seriously, what's the worst that can happen from even giving Geno, say, 3 games to see what he can do? If we can hit the bye at 3-1, then the first 3 games following it are WAS, @ NE and @ OAK. We're likely to beat the Redskins no matter who's under center, then if he shits it up the next 2 just give the ball to Fitz to get back on track with our slightly above average season with our slightly below average quarterback. But if he puts together a string of 3 consecutive good games then he's exponentially raised the ceiling on the season. It's such a low risk, high reward move.
     
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  12. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    Fitz threw 58 times and didn't manage 300 yards, 3 INT's, missed wide open receivers for potential huge gains, tossed any comeback away by consistently giving the ball away at the worst time. He wasn't bad, he was terrible, I wasn't expecting terrible. The guy is 3 - 20 on passes over 20 yards, noodle arm doesn't even do that stat justice.
     
  13. Big Cat

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    Get me the Damn Ball Well-Known Member

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    Fitzpatrick looked average against a high school defense (Colts) and horrible against a slightly above average defense (Eagles). Geno will get another chance because Fitz isn't suddenly going to play better against better defenses. This is who he is. There is a reason Geno OUTPLAYED Fitz in training camp.
     
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  15. JetLifeLo

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    If Fitz shows what he showed in a lot of week 2 and all of week 3.. Geno MUST be considered after the bye week. Especially since he was originally named the starting QB.. that means there must be SOME faith in the kid.. he's showed enough to get that spot to the new regime.. to keep him on the bench over the incident is doing a little too much by the coaching staff if Fitz is stinkin it up.
     
  16. JetLifeLo

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    I feel like Decker makes Fitz a better QB.. Chan doesn't use TE's for anything more than blocking anyway so having Jace wouldn't matter much. I lost most hope for week 3 when i seen Decker and Ivory out though..that's why even as one of those "Smith Supporters" you guys speak of i'm not calling for Fitz's head... yet. But i was at the game and there was plenty of times where Fitz missed wide open players because he stares down his target immediately .. and the 3 yard passes on 3rd and long... come on.
     
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  17. Red Menace

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    Your pro Geno agenda is pretty transparent, all three ints were deflections, Brian winters let a nobody get by him and take away the passing lane for one of those deflections.

    He was missing decker and Ivory, the only guy he is comfortable with is Marshall during game time.

    I also think the next time he throws to Devin Smith, they will not be underthrows, he will put the ball farther out for devin to go get it. These guys are professionals and they will make the adjustments after watching some film.

    And it was marshal who killed them with his terrible decision to pitch the ball to the Eagles.

    The jets don't have a QB that will take them to the next level in Geno or Fitpatrick, but they are 2-1 with Fitz as their starter. I feel very comfortable saying that the jets will be 3-1 next week if Decker and Ivory are back in the lineup against the phins.
     
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  18. jco2007

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    You realize one of those INTs was entirely on Marshall, right? It was a good throw by Fitz that should've gone for a first down. Another was tipped at the line, so it wasn't like he was just slinging them to defenders. Yes, 58 passes and completed 60% of them with a couple drops. Pretty much any QB is going to throw a pick or two with 58 passes. You don't watch much NFL other than Jets games, do you? Almost every QB not named Rodgers or Brady has played just as bad as Fitz this year alone. Luck, Tannehill, Kaep, Flacco, Cousins, Bridgewater, Winston, Bradford, Alex Smith, the list goes on and on. Fitz didn't play great, but he also didn't play nearly as bad as you make it out to be. Try watching some NFL, bruh.
     
  19. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    He is same QB that already won us two games. He is far from perfect but I like him over the Broken Jaw

    When did we win? When we had all our starters eg Ivory and Decker Thats the difference!!
     
  20. Big Cat

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    The difference was also getting 10 takeaways to give him short fields for 5 different touchdown drives.
     

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