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  1. Truth4U2

    Truth4U2 Well-Known Member

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    That's a pretty accurate assessment of the situation I'd say. And you are right, the Church has tightened up its "security" tremendously since the scandal occurred. I know for a fact that it is EXTREMELY hard for anyone to enter the seminary nowadays. I began the process myself about 5 years ago when I was discerning the Priesthood, and even then they had already made it extremely difficult; it turned out I did not have a true calling, and today I am very happily doing work that I am called to do outside the Church. I also have several friends in the seminary, and they tell me you have to take an exam, submit to an extensive background check, undergo an extensive psychiatric evaluation, and have a past that is pretty much spotless. If you have suffered from depression in the past, for example, even if you are completely healthy now, you will not be admitted. Any potential red flag, no matter how small, will keep you from being accepted. That's a big reason why there are so few American seminarians today; they are filling the need for qualified Priests by bringing in people from the Phillipines and Africa to a large extent. (not that it's impossible for an American born citizen to be accepted, I know of many in recent years that have made it, but it's much much harder today than it used to be. They used to let almost anyone in in the past, but not anymore.)
     
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    I'm glad to see you admitting there is a problem. And your comments are interesting about how the church is trying to address the problem. I saw something in that the Pope said that 2% of Catholic priests are pedophiles. Not sure where he got those stats but it's a significant number. I think it means 8000 priests are pedophiles. Hopefully the coverups are over. It's kind of like colleges trying to cover up campus rapes to avoid the bad publicity. But it's actually worse. And imo the 2% is a low estimate. Because like I was saying these creatures seek out the priesthood not because they give a shit about religion or God. But because of easy access to children.
     
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    Wait, what the FUCK are you talking about.

    You've spent 20 pages and hundreds of posts claiming Priests DON'T fuck children and not ONE priest has ever been convicted of fucking children.

    Are you now admitting to being a liar?

    And that Catholic priest do in fact fuck children?

    And you think it doesn't happen regularly any more?

    Pieces of shit.

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  4. Dierking

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    The problem with the pedophiles IS the church. And it's ridiculous requirement that priests live in chastity.

    You honestly think guys become priests with the specific intent to target little boys? There are much easier ways to gain that kind of access, youth coaches and scout leaders, etc. Catholic priests are forced to live this wholly unnatural sexless lifestyle that is an affront to the basic laws of biology. Is it really surprising some number of them succumb to their natural urges with the only option safely available to them? I don't think so. At all.
     
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    And the seminaries are empty because nobody wants to become a priest today.
     
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    Yes but there are plenty of adult men and women they could satisfy their natural urges with.

    They don't need to bang children to satisfy these natural feelings.

    There is no excusing this.

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    Its not an excuse, I'm not defending these guys' behavior. I'm just explaining the natural progression that is likely at work in probably 90 per cent of these cases. These guys can't really date women on the sly and keep their day jobs. I'd suspect most of them probably haven't developed the social skills to do so anyway. The point is when the natural objects of desire are taken away from you, biology is going to point towards whatever other options are available. Some priests can't resist the opportunity.
     
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    So then a priest can go out and have sex (with an adult) clandestinely. And I'm sure plenty do. Like maybe with hookers. No, these pedophiles are not your run of the mill horny guy. They are a special breed of animal. And they seek out their prey. At a venue like a school, youth sports team or a religious institution. Where people are at their most vulnerable. Your average priest isn't going to rape a child because of celibacy rules. They just wouldn't do something as reprehensible, immoral or illegal as raping a child. Either would you or me.
     
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    What about a bowl of calves liver or an watermelon?

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    Of course its not your average priest. But many of the perps are long standing priests beloved by their parishes. Yes, they committed reprehensible, immoral and illegal acts, but you cannot deny the context in which these grave acts were committed. I don't know how many priests you've met in your life. I will never buy the idea that pedophiles surreptitiously become priests to gain access to little boys. These are crimes of opportunity committed by men who can't get laid any other way. The fact that the concept of forgiveness is such a strong concept within Catholicism probably contributes as well.
     
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    Based on what I've read pedophiles actively search out venues where they can be near kids. Including religious institutions. These guys are not religious in the least. You don't rape kids because you cannot get laid.
     
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    Truth.

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    I live in Nebraska. And I've attended Cat-lick services elsewhere and they are the same. boring and dry. songfest.
     
  14. TommyJ

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    is there shit in my eyes this fine monday a.m. or did i see Truth actually not deny there is a problem above?
    why do i hear divine music and chanting?
     
  15. BrowningNagle

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    not only is it an unreasonable requirement in the job, they are also limiting the pool of applicants significantly.

    If I opened an ice cream stand and said I won't accept any employees unless they agree to give up sex and not take on any new relationships or raise a family.. oh and they have to be men only. I'd be eliminating like 90% of normal people immediately. Wouldn't surprise me if I had a problem with pedophiles agreeing to do the job..

    conversely I had a lot of normal, nice, serious Catholic buddies in college. Probably some of them woulda made great priests. but they can still be an accountant and chase women, bang their eventual wife and experience raising children. not a surprise to me that I have lots of accountant friends and no Priest friends today
     
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    Yeah well you maize-worshiping Children of the Corn are no prize either.

    The difference between you cult freaks and Catholics is that the Catholic Eucharist doesn't call for melted butter, salt and pepper.

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    I wish it did. the host can be quite dry and tasteless
     
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    Stuck to the roof of your mouth while you're looking like a spaz trying to pry it off with your tongue. : )
     
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    those things taste like ass. if they handed out nilla wafers instead, i may have stuck around alot longer than i did.
     
  20. TommyJ

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    so simple in its message, and makes a shitload of sense to me

     
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