Week 2 MNF: New York Jets @ Indianapolis Colts

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  1. jerseyjay14

    jerseyjay14 Well-Known Member

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    he completed 62% of his passes. thats not bad at all

    he threw 29 touchdown passes against teams other then the titans/jags, in just 12 games.

    3 or more touchdowns in 9 of 16 games

    he didnt just run it up against poor divisional opponents.

    he is one of the 3 best players in football. if he had anything around him it would be scary

    i find it astonishing a board that hypes matt simms and defended sanchez to the death cant appreciate andrew luck
     
  2. jerseyjay14

    jerseyjay14 Well-Known Member

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    exactly what i was getting at.
     
  3. jonnyd

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    He has a 58% comet ion lifetime. I hated Sanchez and never wanted Simms. You're misunderstanding " overrated" for " not so good"
     
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    With Cromartie out Luck will be no match for our secondary. Jets win big 31-16.
     
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    his "lifetime" completion percentage is not very relevant. he played 3 seasons, and he struggled with completetion percentage in his rookie year.

    Rookie Year -> 54% completions

    2nd year -> 60% completions
    3rd year -> 62% completions

    your 58% number is irrelevant and skewed by his rookie season, where most guys have some bumps in the road. its not like he is a 12 year vet with a career 58% completions where that career number means anything. luck has improved, he isnt that inaccurate inconsistent rookie anymre. the dude is elite and as good as it gets.
     
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    I don't disagree. He's good but far from refined. people talk about him like he's a god or something. The media and people have WAY too big of a boner for Andrew Luck. I heard "experts" say stuff like: "the difference between Luck and guys like Brady/Manning is that Brady and Manning are affected by pressure where Luck is not..." I'm sorry but every fuckin QB is affected if you knock him on his ass like we saw last week with Luck in Buffalo. for some reason they never want to say anything bad about him.

    I say let Luck chuck it all game for all I care. Their offense is terribly inefficient. Just don't let anyone behind you on D, hit them hard all game making them pay for their completions because they are soft and let Luck chuck it everywhere. Luck will throw a couple TD passes maybe 300 yards but they will also go 3 and out a lot and possibly have a INT or 2. Run a controlled power offense, again physical and it'll be a close game at the end
     
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  7. Woodhead

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    This. I expect a close game but to be realistic Colt 21 Jets 17
     
  8. Jetaho

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    I think the Colts are an overrated team because the division they play in gives them 6 freebies. Luck is certainly an ascendant talent, but Indy's problem is that their running game doesn't scare anyone. Once you make them one dimensional, they're a lot easier to defend.

    Even so, this will be a big test for Bowles because (1) it is an away game and (2) we are coming off a win against a crappy Browns team. A lot will be determined by how we come out in the first half, and whether we can cause more TOs to cover up our defensive warts.
     
  9. Woodhead

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    I know a team "should" have motivation in every game, that said going on the road in Indy after winning the opener could be a perfect set up for a bounce. I hope I'm wrong but it will be a big test of the staff to keep this team focused.
     
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    I saw someone propose that Andrew Luck is overrated because 1/4 of his games are against Jacksonville and Tennessee, which inflates his stats. So I looked into it. Take these stats with a grain of salt, because you can make any quarterback look bad by cherry picking their games, and extrapolating is always dangerous, but here's what I came up with:

    Last year, Andrew Luck threw for 62% completion/ 40 TDs / 16 INTs / 4761 yards.

    He played the Titans and Jaguars 4 times, if you stretched out those stats over a 16 game pace, it would be: 71% completion/ 44 TDs/ 4 INTs / 4700 YDS.

    He played defenses that finished in the top 10 in scoring 5 times (BAL, NE, HOU x 2, CLE), and here's his 16 game pace in those games: 55% completion / 32 TD/ 23 INT/ 4691 YDs.

    He can be had by a good defense (like last week). Hopefully, we're a good defense. It's a great litmus test.
     
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    Also, Luck has faced Todd Bowles' defense once in his career (in 2013), he completed 20/39 (51.3%) of his passes for 163 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT and lost 40-11.

    People say that Bowles' defense is extremely similar to Rex Ryan's. His 2 games against Rex Ryan defenses: 22/44 (50%) for 280 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT (35-9 LOSS) and last week: 26/49 (53.1%) for 243 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT in a 27-14 loss.
     
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    Does this mean some fans will be giving up on the season again if the Jets go down 7-0 in the second quarter like they did against the Browns?
     
  14. MaximusD163

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    The Colts offensive line is quite poor, we saw it being taken advantage of by Buffalo's quality defensive line. I believe we will have success as well considering the quality of our defensive line, although we don't feature the same disruptive edge combination of Jerry Hughes and Mario Williams.

    A lot of this is going to come down to our ability to cover their offensive weapons. Even without TY Hilton they have a number of capable receivers:

    Andre Johnson 6'2" 225 lbs
    Donte Moncrief 6'2" 221 lbs
    Phillip Dorsett 5'10" 185 lbs (1st round pick)

    Coby Fleener 6'6" 247 lbs
    Dwayne Allen 6'3" 255 lbs

    Frank Gore is a capable pass catcher as well. I expect very little production in the running game from the Colts, so catching out of the backfield is Gore's primary threat to us.

    Darrelle Revis 5'11" 198 lbs
    Buster Skrine 5'9" 185 lbs
    Marcus Williams 5'11" 195 lbs
    Darrin Walls 6' 190 lbs

    Calvin Pryor 5'11" 207 lbs
    Marcus Gilchrist 5'10" 193 lbs

    Looking at these match ups, where I see some concern is covering their TE's. Both of Buffalo's starting safeties are 6' and their strong safety is a converted CB with coverage abilities. Calvin Pryor played very well against the Browns, even in coverage, but their TE's are not the kind of threat that the Colts' TE's are. I have faith in our defense, but I have a feeling that if anything, those TE's will be what hurt us. We need to take an early lead, just as Buffalo did.
     
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    I also feel that we will have a lot of success running the ball vs the Colts. They were not tackling very well, and we have a superior offensive line to the Bills. I'm not saying anything against LeSean McCoy, but Chris Ivory makes weak tacklers look like rag dolls.
     
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  17. foreboding

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    Cant wait till the bills kick your asses in a few weeks.
     
  18. foreboding

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    This is a good point. Early season wins only matter if you win at the end of the season.
     
  19. foreboding

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    Young QB as well with lots of weapons. Fitz will throw to Marshall IMO-
     
  20. TonyMaC

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    The difference between a guy like Luck throwing 16 picks and a guy like Geno doing it comes down to attempts. the Colts ask Luck to throw way more often, sometimes by necessity (3rd downs, comebacks,etc). of course that comes with added risk of turnovers, its the gunslingers creed.

    this in contrast to Smith or Sanchez who were given a limited role in the offense and screwed up in the rarer instances they were asked to do so (this might have been in part because they weren't allowed to get in rhythm in the first place ironically, but thats a topic for a different day)

    Luck is a successful gunslinger on a team that leans on he and his receivers the most. this is gonna be a game decided by how well Pep can get his receivers in open space and away from our elite man coverage (Re: Revis) and how well they establish their run game. because I have a feeling that gunsling mentality of theirs is gonna bite them in the ass on this one. they try a 16-3 pass run ratio on us, Buster or Williams are gonna make them pay.

    One pick or two picks on a pass happy colts team thats trying to play catch up, and an offense about as effective last weeks and the jets go home 2-0. contrarily, if we cant establish a balanced offensive rhythm ourselves we're in a tight spot. this shouldn't be a problem though as their Inside linebackers apparently aren't very good so Ivory and Powell might be able to give us that balance from start to finish.

    this is a game that will be won in the 3rd quarter, the question is wether or not we've put up enough points to keep them desperate and exploitable through the air at that point or if we've got to a play catch up. the colts lost last week because they were one dimensional, we've got to force them into being so again.
     

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