2016 is the Year of QBs

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  1. BigSnacks54

    BigSnacks54 Well-Known Member

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    Cook makes the wow throw once every game, but overall his decision making and accuracy are still extremely inconsistenct; his mistakes are game changing ones that get you benched in the NFL. He's executed the system well today, for the most part, but seems to struggle when it breaks down. However, he has been better this week.
     
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    He's been money on 3rd down
    the entire game and that's where you make your money as an NFL QB.

    Cook made a few wow throws today that were very impressive. He has some weaknesses but has a quick release and a strong arm. And he can go through his progressions.
     
  3. BigSnacks54

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    He's had five passes that could have resulted in interceptions. Way too much inconsistency from a redshirt senior. He steps up on one play negates edge pressure and makes a good play, next play? He doesn't see the curl flat defender and nearly throws a pick 6. His weaknesses is what gets Quarterbacks benched on Sundays.
     
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    Goff continues to impress. Ole Miss led by Chad Kelly looks like a playoff contender. Jeremy Johnson looked better this week, I think he's still making a few mental errors, but he was able to hold himself together today. Kessler doing his thing.

    Seth Russell proving not just anyone can thrive in the Baylor offense, good sign for us with Petty.

    Anyone else sticking out to anyone?
     
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    One of the reasons I was on the Stephen Morris as a late round flyer wagon last year. Chip Kelly scooped him up quick once he became available.
     
  6. JStokes

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    I'm just not seeing that automatic thrower I was hoping to see out if Cook.

    Unless he ups his game geometrically I can't see him being a top 10-15 pick.

    I'm just not seeing excellence.

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    Not a good series by Cook when needed.

    Oregon could win this game.

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    Wow awful sack.

    Should be the game for MSU.

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  9. BigSnacks54

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    I agree. Great college QB and he can probably start in the league, considering how poor QB play is. But franchise QB? I'm not seeing it, he doesn't really do anything amazing and he doesn't have elite physical tools. To be as inconsistent of a decision maker as Cook is , you need to have Winston's football IQ or physical traits IMO for me to consider a QB to be a top prospecct .

    I can see him going in round 1, but I wouldn't take him there.
     
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    Vernon Adams's incompetence pretty much cost Oregon the game. I don't think any JAG can run this Oregon O like Mariota did.
     
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    Yup. Teddy and Mariota were better decision makers and throwers as freshmen.

    Cook looks like an ok QB, nothing more than that.

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    So he's the only QB to throw bad passes? Lol, give me a break. Eli Manning, has made a career of it and has 2 SBs, same with Flacco but 1 ring. You said Cardale Jones and Hackenberg were the best QBs in college - and they both make worse decisions.

    25-3 as a starter, and has helped his team come back multiple times. Far from a finished product, but makes excellent throws better than any other pro prospect.
     
  13. BigSnacks54

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    I said Hackenberg was the best prospect when? When did I say he was the best college QB? I've been highly critical of him ever since I dug deep on his sophomore tape in late July . And I said Cardale was the best CFB QB, not the best best PRO Prospect. There's a huge difference between those statements and I also said he had the talent to become a first round pick, which is accurate as well. I just called Cook a great college quarterback minutes ago...

    You can be a really good college quarterback and be a terrible NFL QB. I don't care about a college Quarterback's wins or team comebacks (notice I didn't give Winston credit for that), I care about his play on snap by snap basis. There's a HUGE difference between making game changing decisions(like Eli does) against pros and complex defensive schemes and making bad decisions against college defenses such as Oregon .

    Those "bad" passes, were in the grasps of defenders hands multiple times throughout the games. I gave him credit for climbing the pocket and I'm going to critcize him when he makes terrible decisions, that could have cost his team the game. If Cook were a true freshman or had limited experience , I'd give him more of a pass, but he's a red shirt senior.
     
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    Cook's comp rate is 56% so far this year.

    It's only 2 games but that is unacceptable for a 5th year senior.

    It just is.

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    Did you not call him the next Andrew Luck?

    I don't think Cook is a great college QB [as he is part of an excellent unit in MSU], but he's got several tools that translate to the next level, that's what I look for in QBs in college. He doesn't lose you games, and he can make some special throws. Cook, definitely not a finished prospect but he's certainty got the tools. Cook has a track-record in regards to making big positive decisions to win games, that's a trait not many QBs have.

    Everyone has bad passes, that defenders drop and that's why they play on defense.
     
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    Completion Rate does not tell you if a QB is accurate or not. Of course Cook, inaccurate but that's due to his footwork which can be fixed. He makes more big boy throws than any other NFL QB prospect.
     
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    If you can't complete 60% of your passes in college you won't be able to do that in the NFL either, and that's the floor for a good QB at this point. That 60% thing is a shared value that was espoused by Bill Parcells AND Bill Walsh. And they were saying it in an era where 60% was a pretty good completion percentage as opposed to rock bottom like it is now.
     
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    I saw both Hackenberg and Cook play today, and I think they both suck. Hackenberg is unathletic, slow, and locks onto his receivers. Cook doesn't step into this throws. He either throws flat footed or off his heel. That's a recipe for disaster in the NFL. I can't believe he didn't fix that over the summer. Because of that his accuracy is all over the place. He's also bad about locking onto receivers. I wouldn't consider either of them in the draft at this point.
     
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    Sorry, my friend, but I disagree. MSU should have lost that game tonight and because of Cook. He missed too many throws in the 2nd half. He has horrible fundamentals. He stands flat-footed or throws off his heel, I don't think I've ever seen him step in to a throw and use his legs. There's no reason a senior should still be doing that, especially at a high profile program like MSU. If it can be fixed, why hasn't it been? That's why his accuracy is whack. He also still locks onto receivers, or decides before the snap where he's going with the ball fairly often, so that also disputes your statement that he makes his progressions. I think Petty is 10x the prospect Cook is. I wouldn't even consider him before the 5th round.

    Now Chad Kelly (Jim Kelly's nephew), if he continues to play like has the last two weeks and he has cleaned up his act off the field, is a QB I could get interested in.
     
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  20. JStokes

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    I'm close with you on this one, I don't think Cook absolutely sucks, I think he slightly sucks--he's just not very good. He can make some throws but overall he's just not automatic like you need to be at this level. He missed way too many throws for me to look at him and say 'wow I gotta have that guy'. He's not going to be a savior like some folks were hoping for.

    Hack just completely sucks. This is a hype machine like I've never seen. I wouldn't take him in the 7th round or waste time on him as an UDFA.

    I think Petty is much better than both of them.

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