I am old enough to see a bust and know when to cut loses. Seriously am I happy the kid failed no. But am I happy we can cut bait without being hurt to badly by it. Seriously in a thread about Petty you want to Reade him because Geno may come back. I would ask if you thought this through. Why in the world would you post that here in this thread?
I'm not ready to give up on Geno yet like some of you are. It funny how some of you think Petty going to be our answer and don't get me wrong if Geno not the answer I hope Petty is.
Optimism is always looked down upon on this website. It happened to me with Pennington and Sanchez. Even though I don't share your views on Geno, I certainly hope you are right.
Has to be balanced against our chances of doing well this season. Ppl were saying Fitz won't get it done, and Geno is out. Sooooo, if we're gonna finish 8-8 or worse, than get Petty some real game experience and turn him loose next season. Big Ben came in as a rookie, suffered through a 15-1 season, then won the SB in yr 2. Brady won a SB in his 2nd yr too. Then there's Wilson. Heck, even Sanchez came within 30 minutes of the SB his rookie AND sophmore year. So please, don't make it sound like Petty would be ruined for life if he starts this season. If we have a decent chance to make the POs w/o Petty, then YES! sit him. But if not, then let the learning begin. Next season will be here soon enough.
My point was that Geno is better today for having played the last 2 seasons then if he had rode the pine for two years and this is his first time on the field. You can't learn taking snaps from under center and pocket awareness form the bench. If you could then every season ticket holder on the 50 yard line would be franchise QBs.
Sorry, Ron, I disagree. I often agree with you, but not this time. While the OL is an important factor, imo it's not THE most important. IMO the most important factor is the individual QB's experience level, his talent/skills and his mental makeup. Not every QB is a can't miss prospect like Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck. Some have tons of talent, are smart, and have been very successful players at the collegiate level, but like Bryce Petty, played in an offense in college that is about as far as one can get from a pro offense in the NFL. In his case, he doesn't need to learn how to play QB, he doesn't really have arm fundamentals that he needs to work on or accuracy, but he needs to adjust to the speed of the NFL, he needs to learn the offense, needs to learn to take snaps from under center, work on his footwork in the dropbacks, and needs to learn to go through his progressions/reads, and be able to pick up a defensive blitz, or spot a situation where the Jets have a mismatch and he needs to audible out of the play. Since he is smart, has a high football IQ and is a hard worker, I think he can learn this in one year and be ready to be very competitive next year, but he's nowhwere near ready to play now. You also have players like Sanchez, who while he had most of the physical tools, and played in a pro-style offense, only had one year of starting experience, was somewhat immature, and was a softer player mentally. If he had been able to sit for at least a year, and more likely, two, he may have developed into a quality game-managing-type QB. Instead, he was forced onto the field when he wasn't ready, and he may never recover mentally and emotionally. Geno is more athletic, had more starting experience, had better tools, is stronger mentally/confidence-wise, and had played at a higher level than Sanchez, but may not have had as high a football IQ as either Sanchez or Petty, and had played in a spread-type offense like Petty. Geno, as we all know, has shown flashes where his talent is apparent, but has been wildly inconsistent, and the mental aspects of his game and maturity have come into clear question. His stronger confidence may save him, but he would have been much better off learning slowly sitting on the bench. He still might develop into a consistent, quality starter, but that remains to be seen. People are individuals. We're not robots, clones, or cookie cutter cut-outs. There are instances where we should treat everyone alike in terms of showing respect, expecting discipline, etc., bu tin terms of learning, of what their needs and abilities are, one cannot make a bigger mistake than to treat everyone alike. It just isn't isn't dealing with reality.
I TOTALLY understand that. I think a lot of Jets fans are underestimating the time it's going to take for the players to learn and completely adjust to Bowles' style of D and to the new offense. We have a bunch of young players who are going to be key for us going forward, and they're still developing. If Petty develops as expected, we will probably have something we haven't had since Kenny O'Brien, a strong-armed, true franchise QB who always gives us a better chance to win than lose, and something we haven't had since since Joe Willie Namath, a QB with all the physical and mental tools who can be the face of the franchise, the player we can build the team around, and someone who gives us a realistic chance at getting to and winning the SB.
Are you freaking serious? You don't risk a potential franchise QB and the future for one season, especially when it appears to already be lost!!!! You don't know if he would ruined or not. The thing is, you have to be smart enough to not take that chance. You don't play Russian Roulette with a potential franchise QB, especially when we haven't had one in 30-50 years depending upon whether you consider Kenny O'Brien a franchise QB. If not, it goes back to Namath. You don't risk that for one stupid season. Your logic and rationale are awful imo.
Petty was a 4th round pick. If he's a serviceable NFL backup the Jets hit paydirt with the pick. If he's more than that he's 1 in a hundred.
I feel like the ceiling for this team with Fitzpatrick at the helm and the first season with the new systems is probably 8-9 wins, which while an improvement is hardly enthusiasm inducing. A year to settle in and possibly groom Petty gives the team a much higher ceiling. The only question with that is whether or not the veterans on the team that figure to play a significant role this year will still be in tact next year. Will Revis (30) start to decline? Can we get 2 seasons of Marshall (31) as a true number one receiver? Mangold and Brick will both be 32, will the line start to fall apart? Ivory is getting some miles on him in running back years. Will Wilkerson even be on the team? Harris is already declining, and so is Cromartie. Harrison is an UFA. It's a shame that this roster is built with veterans who can win now but is mitigated by the QB position and the transition into a new coaching staff and systems. If only Bowles and Petty came in together last season, with the roster as currently constructed. I wish we could use virtual reality to give them each a year's worth of experience. We're going to need to seriously replenish if we want to set up for success next season, and it has to start with hitting on the 2015 draft class.
All 4th round QB's since Peyton Manning was drafted: 1999 - Joe Germaine, Aaron Brooks 2001 - Chris Weinke, Sage Rosenfels, Jesse Palmer 2002 - David Garrard, Rohan Davey 2003 - Seneca Wallace 2004 - Luke McCown 2005 - Kyle Orton, Stefan LeFors 2009 - Stephen McGee 2010 - Mike Kafka 2012 - Kirk Cousins 2013 - Matt Barkley, Ryan Nassib, Tyler Wilson, Landry Jones 2014 - Logan Thomas, Tom Savage 2015 - Bryce Petty He's in the right list of people given his background and his talent level.
I finally got around to watching the Atlanta preseason game, and Petty had his good moments but he still looks pretty raw to me.
He is lol. He doesn't fully know the playbook, his footwork is a little bit choppy, and he is only reading basic coverages. He was going out against #2s and #3s for the game. I mean for goodness sake...Geno smith has a perfect passer rating in Week 17 last year against the Dolphins #1 defense. So far he's played really well in 1 out of 2 games against backups. The sample size is so small at this point.
I see a lot of comments about how good Petty looked against the Falcons, but I'm not seeing where or how "Petty looked good". Like I said he had his moments, but still looked raw. Btw I'm not disagreeing with anything you said.
I agree. The team is set to be competitive this year, but doesn't really have a shot at going far in the playoffs, due to the liabilities at QB, TE, and quite likely at RG. Barring injuries, I think that Revis and Marshall will be back. Cro, unless his play improves dramatically in the season over where it is now, will probably be gone. I'll take a CB tandem of Revis and Williams. Hopefully Pryor and Gilchrist will develop into a quality S tandem. Harris will probably be a backup. Davis will still be here. Mauldin should be starting at one OLB spot by then and Pace and/or Babin gone. I hope that Wilkerson will still be here, but even if not, if we still have Richardson and he has cleaned up his act and have Williams, our DL will still be great. With Powell and potentially Ridley, we should be fine at RB. With Marshall, Decker, Smith, Kerley, Owusu and either Enunwa and/or another young WR, our WR corps should be fine. I think the question marks will be the OL. Hopefully Mangold will still play at a high level for another 2-3 years. With a different blocking scheme/philosophy, hopefully Carpenter and Giacomini will play at a higher level. Even if Brick plays at a high level this year, I think they will need to find his successor, an upgrade at RG (unless Harrison, Dozier, Winters or Aboushi develop), and possibly will need to upgrade Giacomini's spot. So while we may not be ready to challenge for the Lombardi Trophy next season, and may have lost a couple of older vets, we should be more competitive, have a higher ceiling, and with another draft and FA, the team should be in even better shape, Idzik's drafts put further in the past, and be another step closer to where we want/need to be.
Those Idzik drafts are going to sting for a while. At the very least he could have set us up to rebuild the OL. Hopefully Dozier, Qvale or Aboushi develop but even at best we're still looking for a center and left tackle, the 2 most important positions on the line. Maybe we can get some development out of Ben Ijalana, the backup left tackle. He was our highest graded player by pro football focus in the Lions' game. It would be absolutely huge if we could get someone on the roster to step up and be the successor to Brick, because it saves us the need to use a first round pick at the position and opens up the possibility of getting a dynamic player at another position. Although, next year's tackle class is supposedly very deep at tackle, so it'd be great if Mac could steal a starter in the 2nd or 3rd.
He looked good for a 4th Round Pick out of Baylor, adjusting to an NFL offense, playing his 2nd NFL Preseason game against #2's and #3's. Can't ask for much more at the moment.
