Tom Brady suspended for four games Overturned!

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  1. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    lol, so you are going to interpret a very clear, very concise statement, into meaning something quite opposite of what was actually said?
    that's really weak.

    this is Br*dy's mess, and Br*dy's dirt. Goddell has been put in the unenviable position of cleaning it. The owners recognize that, and agree with Goddell's actions, which is exactly what Mara stated.
    If they didn't agree with Goddell, this wouldn't be in federal court.
     
  2. benhamean

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    I believe he has already broadcast many reasons that he won't uphold- fundamental unfairness of the process, not making witnesses available, not following the established rules, not imposing discipline that is defined, etc. Regarding the Pash factor (a witness not being allowed to be called without explanation), Berman's words were exactly these:
    "I believe some arbitration awards have been vacated" (for doing that). Also,
    "I don't understand the thinking to not allow Mr. Pash as a witness. Who else but Pash had the opportunity to edit the Wells Report?" and,
    "(The NFL )"cannot just conclude they cannot have a witness because testimony would be cumulative."

    [all quotes above from various tweets- no transcript is out that I know of]

    You can either read the above and think that Berman is chastising the NFL to make himself feel better when he actually has to end up supporting them, OR you can read it as I do- a clear message that it would behoove the NFL to settle out of this, because he will NOT uphold and has GIVEN the legal precedent he can pick to do so.

    I think it was Berman that tried to get Mara involved, to try and talk some sense into the NFL before time runs out. But, that is only my opinion and we shall see soon enough.
     
  3. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    That is one reason the Judge would say those things, but he will have the opportunity to say whatever the fuck he wants if/when he has to make a ruling so you have to ask yourself what the purpose of saying it now is.
     
  4. Burning Elvii

    Burning Elvii Well-Known Member

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    I think it was Kessler posturing in closed door which requested Berman to ask. The NFL is not on trial here to retry the case. I see the owners agree with upholding the suspension after the appeal turned up Brady's continuing covert cover up.

    It's 1+1 =2 for most smart people to see.
     
  5. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    are you sure on this?

    my understanding is that this case is not about innocence or guilt, but about procedure, fairness of punishment based on precedent, and the league's authority to punish players as they see fit.

    so i believe the judge can uphold suspension, reduce suspension, or overturn suspension.

    there will be no exoneration of Br*dy or the P*ts regardless of outcome, as the judge is not ruling on whether he did it or not.
    the case is really just a matter of how many games, if any, Br*dy misses, based on the procedures followed, and whether the CBA allows the NFL this authority.
     
  6. benhamean

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    Sure.
    There is an established penalty for equipment tampering. A fine of around $8k.
    8 months ago- BOOM. Done.
    What Goodell is embarked on is a Quixotic witch hunt of his own creation. An epic waste.

    (Which he's gonna lose :) )
     
  7. benhamean

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    Exactly
     
  8. BacktoQueens

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    i noticed none of your reasons involve Br*dy, you know, actually being innocent on this.

    But you are actually right, it is about procedure and authority, not innocence or guilt.
    that is why there is no rainbow at the end of this case for you P*ts fans. exoneration for Br*dy, and especially the P*ts, is not even on the table.
     
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  9. JStokes

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    Exactly.

    Patsfags will forever have to live with the fact that the rest of the world knows Brady is a cheater.

    Barry Bonds was just exonerated on all his Balco/steroids trials.

    But everyone knows he was a cheating juicer.

    _
     
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  10. Burning Elvii

    Burning Elvii Well-Known Member

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    Everyone have your stone cold stamps for all the pats fans from now till eternity.

    Once a cheater, always A cheater
     
  11. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    so what do you suppose his reason is for saying these things now?
     
  12. Burning Elvii

    Burning Elvii Well-Known Member

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    the court docs from the 19th

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...s-nfl-nflpa/MqjM2mWO1pj2ovCbg3xf1I/story.html

    i read the first couple of pages of Kessler's assertions of what things mean.

    The NFL Code for establishing guilt or wrong doing was brought on due to spygate.

    More probable than not is the standard.

    They are challenging CBA

    Kessler is going to find himself on the losing end.

    Now I know where Mr Quantum Leaper came from :)

    Ha Ha, Kessler is a prima donna attention getter
     
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  13. CJLang

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    According to everything I've read today, most believe it was Berman reaching out to the owners (Mara) to get involved wth the negotiations.
     
  14. benhamean

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    I opined this above.
    I think he is trying to give the NFL every chance to see how he will rule if he is forced to do so, and that it would be against them. I don't know if Berman cares, but remember that the NFL brought the case to him for validation, so maybe he feels that he needs to diagram for them a little bit.
    He started hard on the NFL. Then, he got harder on them.
    Anyway, that is my opinion.
     
  15. Burning Elvii

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    as i read further into the story it was BErman who communicated it, but was it his own ask or from Brady's side
     
  16. Jets_Grinch

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    But as Stokes pointed out earlier, his firm was once in the same position the Pats are with this and lost the case. I was speaking with a lawyer friend of mine on the issue and he said the same thing. There is no way to know what a judge is actually thinking until he hands out a ruling. It does look good for the Pats right now that the judge is pushing hard against the league but he also may have already decided to rule with the league and is looking for cracks in the armor to assure himself of his decision. The reality is this could go either way and we should know in a couple weeks.
     
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  17. benhamean

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    Nah, he is innocent, and I went through that before. Another forum member got very butthurt at a video where a little kid grasps the science that the NFL did not.
    This entire episode is a railroad job. No 'crime'. Manufactured and or manipulated 'evidence' that (at the cost of $5 million freaking dollars) can only get to some nebulous standard of 'more probably than not had a general awareness' of someone else's deeds (the Judge LOVES that standard :) ).
    And the only way Wells could even justify THAT pathetic wackiness was to discount the testimony of the ref about the gauge he remembers using.
    The NFL lied about what Brady testified about.

    It is retarded.
     
  18. benhamean

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    Truth.
     
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  19. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    The term is "more probable than not" and it's the exact thresh hold required to determine guilt. This new thresh hold is a result of the last time the Pats got nailed for cheating (spy gate).
     
  20. Burning Elvii

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    Keep telling yourself it's a railroad job......whatever makes yourself feel safe.

    The Pats org accepted the penalties for it being on their watch.
     
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