He's ran a few read option plays that resulted in TDs for MSU. I think the Jets need a strong armed passer that can read the defense and go through progressions. The footwork needs plenty of improvement before he's a finished product, but if that's one of his major hurdles then I am happy with taking a chance. Palmer already had that locked down in USC, but you are correct in regards to the systems that were ran in college. Much different offenses - though both pro style. With Cook, run the football and open up the play-action passes down the field.
I've seen Sefo play a lot...... I'm a CU fan and live in Colorado....... He's more of an athlete than a QB at the moment, but he's got potential...... Doubt he will have a big year, but he could easily play well enough to land himself in the middle of the draft as a development QB......
I don't know about you guys, but I would like to think that, Jets actually found their QB. Petty didn't light the world on fire - yeah. I can see that. But for someone who never took a snap under the center, and who never needed to worry about stepping on the field this year, he did more than very well in my eyes. I especially like the way he runs the huddle, avoid sacks and throws quick hitters. If Jets can buy him a year or two [Fitz time, folks.] Petty will be ready. I wasn't all too high on him earlier during the draft, but the first preseason game definitely left a mark. If at all, he didn't throw a pick. I would love to see how he does in coming games, and maybe next year.
I just want more FBS schools to run a pro-style offense. You can't blame the QBs , the system is why there are fewer options coming out of the drafts. The learning curve is steep. I hope Petty gets a chance to learn.
Colleges aren't in the business of turning out pro QBs. They are in the business of winning games. And if that means running a spread offense, be damned that's what they'll do. _
As the number of red shirt sophs and juniors hitting the draft goes up you'd think there'd be somebody out there who wanted to become QB U to get the best prospects and keep them for 4 years. Players hit the draft early now because of the new CBA and how it structures the rookie deal. An excellent program that taught QB's the pro set and guaranteed them a 1st round pick at the end of it could probably keep their QB's through the senior year, particularly if they tended to get drafted in the 1st off of their junior year but in the top 5 if they stayed for year 4.
The bigger question is why aren't professional teams trying to replicate the college style spread system? I mean there are teams taking elements of it, I guess we are one of them now and the closest in terms of all out running it is Kelly in Philly.. but why is the NFL slow to adopt? its not just college. the majority of HS programs are running the shotgun spread with a dual threat QB now too. These kids run that system from the moment they touch a football until they get to the NFL where coaches want to go back in time, put them under center, force them to play in the pocket,"read defenses" and learn to drop back and develop the "fundamentals" they have never learned. it seems dumb to me. Why can't you take an Art Briles system, draft an Art Briles type QB (bryce petty, RGIII) and let them do what they do, run it to a T. You can't tell me an offense designed to emphasize the skills of the type of QB you draft is going to be less successful than trying to change the player to adopt to the "nfl" system. maybe if we let these QBs do what they are good at and what they were trained to do growing up, we wouldn't have a league full of shit QBs with only a handful of good ones at the top?
You can't guarantee them a first round pick, but to be drafted as a potential NFL starter - that's your guarantee, and a good one at that. That's Michigan State right now. Kirk Cousins (Redskins), Brian Hoyer (Texans), Drew Stanton (Cardinals) and Nick Foles (Rams). You got Connor Cook coming out who might be better than all 4 of them. Foles remember was recruited by MSU.
Don't laugh, but if David Cutcliffe stays at Duke long enough and they keep winning, that could happen there. He is a renowned QB guru and both of the Manning brothers swear by him. He's done a great job building that program and developing the QBs he's had. Playing the schedule they play against FSU, Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, Miami and others, the QBs will get media coverage.
You have some good points, but I think the reason the NFL is slow to adapt is they want to protect their QBs. In a spread system, QBs usually run more and are thus more vulnerable than a strictly pocket QB. In the NFL, defenses are more sophisticated. Players are bigger, stronger and faster and teams more talented than they are in college. It would be fairly risky. Some NFL teams have done that. Wasn't the Run and Shoot offense a spread type offense? They were successful for a while, but NFL teams eventually found a way to shut it down and explore its weaknesses, didn't they? I'm not sure. My memory's foggy on that, I just know that it's no longer used. The Panthers did that for Cam's first year or two, then when he got a little banged up and they changed OCs, they got very conservative for a while. I think this season, they're going back to more of that style. I think also it's due to the fact that the NFL is slow to change. It's a copy cat league and some changes happen quickly but others evolve over time. Look at the 3-4 D. Several teams used it, it fell out of favor for a while, now it's more popular and even college teams are using it now. I think the WCO has a similar story. Walsh and the Niners got it started, it was popular for a good while, but now fewer and fewer teams are using it I believe (but could be mistaken). I think as more QBs come into the NFL who are dual threats and as more HCs and OCs move into the NFL from the college ranks, I think the spread offenses will become more popular, but I'm not sure the conservative NFL-type offense ever goes away.
cutcliffe is like 100 years old though right? if he wanted to become QB U, and groom prospects for 4 years he would need to be able to guarantee he's not actually retired to the farm in 4 years. I think that Jim Harbaugh at Michigan will become the "QB guru", pro style, college coach that Bradway is referring too. He already has the resume with having done the same with Andrew Luck at Stanford anyway. Kids will remember him as a QB himself, see what he did with Andrew Luck and want to go develop with him at storied Michigan. I hate Michigan because my a-hole boss went there but damn that's where they could be really successful. Another school with a chance at that is Florida. They have stacked their staff with Pro style QB gurus in HC Jim McElwain + OC Doug Nussmeier. Long history of QB development there. look for Ricky Town, top freshman pro-style QB who just transferred from USC to end up at either place btw. He originally committed to Alabama to play for Nussmeier but decommitted when he left.
That's 5 QB's not going to the Hall of Fame. The point of doing a pro set offense and really committing to it and teaching the offense heavily would be to become QB U. Right now the closest thing we have to QB U is Stanford and they only run the pro set about half the time.
I think Kelly will end up setting a trend in this league. running the college style spread can get your QB hurt but it also de-emphasizes the importance of the QB position in a way. with less complicated reads, less fundamentals, less thinking, less of a learning curve and more reliance on athleticism & rhythm you can put an athlete in there and not be affected so much by injury at the position. that's why kelly dumped Foles for Bradford. he wanted a guy who thrives in the type of things he's trying to do, he's taking a risk with bradford's injury history but he's okay with that because Sanchez won't be too much of a drop off as he is an athletic, rhythm passer himself. its just asinine to me that teams, especially teams that struggle with the QB position, are in turn still seeking to make the position harder to adapt to especially in the current football landscape, where what they are looking for is scarce... Its like having a sea full of 1000s of destroyer boats at your disposal every year with the very rare submarine that you can't see. but because you've seen some people win the war with submarines, or you are worried about your destroyer getting dinged up, you only want submarines. It makes it even worse when a team like our Jets drafts a destroyer and tries to make them a submarine. (geno smith, sanchez to a degree, petty?).. why not acquire as many of the destroyers as you want, because everyone else is avoiding them, and let them do what they do best. It makes a lot of sense to take one of the many dual-threat spread QBs and let him do what he does best. emphasizing his strengths or at least hiding his weaknesses. I mean, whats the worst that can happen? Your QB sucks and you finish with a losing record. That describes like most of the NFLs have-nots (outside of a few teams) and the Jets for like the past decade and a half. The QB doesn't have to be the ultra important, face of the franchise, make every tough decision guy. He can just be the athletic guy that takes the snaps for an athletic, effective offense
Does going to the HOF really matter in this discussion? I thought this was about producing NFL quarterbacks, in this case MSU has done so. MSU has been running pro-style offenses under Mark Dantonio for a while now. They are teaching these QBs the basics of being an NFL QB. Stanford has what? 1 NFL QB that has entered the league in Luck? The last was John Elway ...
I'm not sure how old Cutcliffe is, but I think he's only in his early 60s. I think you're probably right about Michigan and Florida, however, because they already have reputations and the national spotlight. I know about Harbaugh, but don't about any of the UF coaches you mention, but will take your word on it.
You make some good points, but I would be very surprised if that happened. I just can't see owners and GMs moving away from QBs as being the face of their franchise since they're pretty much already locked into having to pay them a lot of money. You don't pay a lot of money to players who aren't that important, and in what you advocate, the QB doesn't sound very important.
yeah but you listed QBs that generally suck and 1 of them didnt even go to MSU , so I'm not sure how he counts in that list anyway. the top prospects are recruited by every school in the country.
The principals and teachings of the Pro Offense was still instilled in Nick Foles prior to him transferring. The only one that really sucks on that list is Kirk Cousins. You can't expect every QB to come from a school and be 10 year starters. That doesn't happen with any of the schools ever, not even USC which sent plenty of QBs to the NFL. Jet fans had no issues wanting Hoyer, Foles on this squad. Stanton did decent when given the opportunity. We let Stanton go and got Tebow instead and well we all know how that went.
foles rode the pine for 1 year at MSU, thats quite a stretch to give them any credit for his development. you could just as easily say he left there because they were hurting his development... thats how much of a stretch that is. Joe Flacco rode the pine at Pitt for 2 years. Can we call him a great QB that was developed at Pitt? also. some dumb jets fans wanted hoyer, not all of them
